Stop and Go, or just shove All-in!??

[JARID]

Hand #1:

Live Tourney
Celebrity Poker Invitaional at the Bicycle Casino

Midway through the tourney and a long way from the money.

Blinds are 200/100

Jarid is BB with TT (~1700 after posting)

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls and it is folded all the way around to me.

UTG+1 was seemingly tight(though not overly), but wasn't afraid to mix it up post flop. He was an older guy who I could tell had poker experience, but I didn't think he was a tremendously skilled or experienced tourney player.

I thought his limp UTG+1 could mean as much as AQ though certainly less. He has me covered by about 300. Auto-push?

Hand #2

Party Poker Large Caps

Blinds at 300/150. Hero has T3522 after posting the BB

Dealt 99 in BB

Everyone fold to the CO (T~15,000) who min raises to 600. No reads as I've only been here 5-6 hands. He hasn't played one yet. Action?

Thanks in advance-

Jarid

[MLG]

All-in on both.

[fnurt]

ditto!

[augie00]

You don't have enough chips to stop and go. You can probably call and see a flop in hand #2, but if you're gonna raise it's gotta be all in.

[VinnyTheFish]

I agree.

Case in point, local tourn, last night.

J9s in the BB. UTG raise 2x's BB, about 15% of my stack. I caller. I simply call, 8Tx hit on the flop, so I simply cold call to the river ... HUGE MISTAKE. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

By the river, I have no hit, UTG+1 only has T600 left and wil call anybet. I did not even pait up.

I am about 90% positive that if I went all-in, they both fold. Not only that, even if they call, I still only risk about 45% of my large stack. Now I sacrificed about 35% and had to fold on the river. Very poorly played by me, all because I did not have the balls to play correctly (Re-raise or fold)! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[Lurshy]

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You don't have enough chips to stop and go.

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Hand 1, He has 1700 after posting, there is 500 in the pot. While I agree with pushing, it is not because he does not have enough chips for an S & G.

He has too many chips for it. You use the stop and go from EP ideally heads-up when you are short stacked, and a PF raise-all in won't buy you the pot. On the flop though you raise all-in because although the villian would have called a preflop all-in, there is a chance he now feels he is behind and can get a way from the hand.

1700 though is enough to force someone off of a 200$ limp though.

[Lurshy]

Hand 2, a lot would depend on reads of the raiser. He has a much larger stack than you. Was he well above average? Had he been buying a lot of pots with small raises like that? Have you seen him fold to reraises when you thought he was stealing? Did he call raises? How does he play post flop?

99 is not a great hand vs. 7 other cards. If you see him on a steal, and think you can take it, push. If you want to see a flop for set value, a call is ok also.

If you do call and don't hit the set, I still don't know that a stop and go is in order. Check/fold, Check/call, and chk/raise all have their place here as well.

[JARID]

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You don't have enough chips to stop and go. You can probably call and see a flop in hand #2, but if you're gonna raise it's gotta be all in.

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The 2nd part I agree with. Any sort of re-raise pf needs to be all-in, but I could have just called and then pushed on a non-threatning flop. Or check-raised, check-folded for that matter. I think I had plenty of chips to try this. Just a matter of it being correct.

Thanks-
Jarid

[JARID]

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If you see him on a steal, and think you can take it, push. If you want to see a flop for set value, a call is ok also.


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This I was unsure of. No read, as it was a table change and he didn't play any hands since I sat down (5-6).

You would advocate check-folding folding on an undercard flop, thus playing only for set value?

Thanks-
Jarid