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Old 11-10-2004, 12:41 AM
Luv2DriveTT Luv2DriveTT is offline
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Default Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

loose table, UTG is a known LAG - maniac (VPiP over 80%). Averages 6 to the flop.

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Preflop: HERO is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, HERO calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, HERO calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, HERO calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Button calls, SB folds.

Too many players, a raise here would thin the field too much. I want to keep UTG &amp; Button around.

Turn: (8 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, HERO .........

I called, with a plan to raise on the river. Do you like my play?

TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 11-10-2004, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

With the pot as large as it is on the flop I would have raised. I'm charging any flush draws as much as possible.
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Old 11-10-2004, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

Normally, thats the first thing I would do. But with KK showing.... a raise may win the pot on the spot. Do I really want to raise here? I cannot decide.

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Old 11-10-2004, 12:58 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

Not knowing anything about the button, I'd raise the turn as well.

Assuming he's on a flush draw or is sticking around with A high, if UTG bets out &amp; you call, he has to figure that at least one of you has already made the boat. In that case, he's likely to fold to one bet anyway, so you might as well raise it to get another big bet out of the LAG. If the button calls two bets, even better.
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Old 11-10-2004, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

I raise in that spot. Especially with a LAG, as he will likely go with the ride.
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Old 11-10-2004, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

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UTG is a known LAG

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then raise the turn and hope UTG 3 bets
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Old 11-10-2004, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

Raise that flop. Button, who pfred, is still to act. Don't slowplay when you're going to get plenty of action anyway.
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Old 11-10-2004, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

I am trying to keep MP1 and MP2 in the game.... Button is expected to raise for me. A flop raise is just wrong - too much agression here may cost me future bets, there is no question about that. The veriable is in the turn call or raise. There is logical arguments for both sides.

My plan was to raise on the turn to extract maxiumum proffit, but when the 7 paired I backed off the plan in hopes to get in some final raises on the river instead.

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Old 11-10-2004, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: Too slow, or did I keep my customers around?

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a raise may win the pot on the spot. Do I really want to raise here? I cannot decide.


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You'll win the pot with a raise against 6 people? Where are you playing that everyone is so weak tight?
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Old 11-10-2004, 01:05 PM
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I am trying to keep MP1 and MP2 in the game.... Button is expected to raise for me. A flop raise is just wrong

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The pot is already large. Two other players have already shown that they like their hands. There may be flush draws out. Slowplaying this doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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