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Old 10-18-2004, 12:01 PM
CanKid CanKid is offline
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Default Standard call down?

SB just sat down. 10/20 B&M

Comments on all streets appreciated, particularly the PF and turn.

2 limpers to me in CO, I smooth call with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Checked to me, I bet, SB calls, 1 limper calls.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, limper folds, I raise, SB 3-bets, I call.

River: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, I call.
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Old 10-18-2004, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: Standard call down?

folding would be ridiculous with a 2d river. you misused the term "smooth call". that is calling (usually calling a raise) with a powerful hand with the intention of letting more people in or raising a bigger street.
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Old 10-18-2004, 12:12 PM
CanKid CanKid is offline
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Default Re: Standard call down?

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folding would be ridiculous with a 2d river. you misused the term "smooth call". that is calling (usually calling a raise) with a powerful hand with the intention of letting more people in or raising a bigger street.

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Thanks for clearing that up.

Do you raise the turn?
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Old 10-18-2004, 12:16 PM
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yes. the second spade and possibility of a 6 makes it easy. there is no reason to feel bad if you lost to QJ here.
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Old 10-18-2004, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: Standard call down?

I don't think that I would have played this any differently.
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Old 10-18-2004, 02:01 PM
elindauer elindauer is offline
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Default Re: Standard call down?

Hi CanKid,

There's no other way to play this. The turn is a clear raise as you may well have the best hand and it would be a shame to allow a spade draw, a set, two pair, a bluff, etc to draw out on you cheap. Note that if you are against, say, JT, AJ, etc, you are freerolling.

Call the river and win half the pot most of the time.

Good luck.
Eric
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Old 10-18-2004, 07:28 PM
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Online I'd cap the turn 100% of the time b/c of the freeroll. B&M, I think you played it fine.
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: Standard call down?

I agree with everyone else that you played this fine and that there was really little room to do anything differently.

Since you asked about pf: The main factor in my decision here would be the range of hands that the limpers could hold. If they are likely to hold terrible hands, especially ones we dominate, like T4o and K2s, then a raise is almost mandatory, in my opinion. If their playing standards are similar to yours or mine, then I would perfer to call. A primary reason for raising is that you hope to buy the button, so if the button is a tight player who is likely to fold even if you limp, then you have less reason to raise. All in all, your call here is certainly fine in general.
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Old 10-18-2004, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Standard call down?

pf, i raise with this hand. on the turn, i cap it. on the river, i raise.
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Old 10-18-2004, 11:59 PM
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2 spades and non-nut makes this a non-capper for me
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