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09-16-2004, 01:32 AM
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Middle Pair + Four Flush- Am I really a whipping boy?
No pre-flop raise. I'm big blind. 4 people see the flop.
Flop comes Ah, 9d, 4h Everyone checks to me. I hold 9h 7h (obviously not a great hand but I am playing out of unraised big blind) I bet out the size of the pot. Get re-raised all-in. When I am re-raised all-in I figure I'm behind, but it is not much to call so I do. Anyway- I lose to a pair of aces. My thinking is- no pre-flop raise, so I am not too scared of the ace on the board and I have middle pair and a weak 4 flush so I call. Was I wrong here? 
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09-16-2004, 01:41 AM
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Re: Middle Pair + Four Flush- Am I really a whipping boy?
you need to list stack sizes, the size of the pot, etc. Statistically, you probably have pot odds to call, but youre not much of a favoite to win the pot.
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#3
09-16-2004, 02:08 AM
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Re: Middle Pair + Four Flush- Am I really a whipping boy?
You don't have a strong hand and you're not even drawing to the nuts. Just try to see a cheap turn / river.
I do bet pot size with hands like these sometimes, but fold to all in reraises. However if it wasn't that much more to call it I would've played it the same way. So basically what I'm saying is I would play it exactly like you did if I've been at the table for a while and had a tight image with a big stack, but if I just bought in I would just check it through.
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#4
09-16-2004, 04:31 PM
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Re: Middle Pair + Four Flush- Am I really a whipping boy?
I know I wasn't drawing to the nuts,but I was certain my opponent had a pair maybe 2 pair because I feel like it is a rare player (especially at low limits) who would re-raise my semi-bluff raise if they were only on a draw.
Looking back, it was probably a bad time to semi-bluff because few online players will fold if there ace pairs and all my bet did was juice the pot and make me committed. In the long run, is this a losing or winning play?
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#5
09-16-2004, 06:02 PM
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Re: Middle Pair + Four Flush- Am I really a whipping boy?
You have 9+5 = 14 outs
You played it perfectly. It is pretty much a coinflip after the flop. Take a look at this: http://twodimes.net/h/?z=517732 pokenum -h ac jc - 9d 7d -- ad 9h 4d Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ad 4d 9h cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ac Jc 494 49.90 496 50.10 0 0.00 0.499 9d 7d 496 50.10 494 49.90 0 0.00 0.501
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