15-30 HAND....................

[hbgolfpro]

15-30......UTG+1 opens...folded to me in MP with QQ....I raise......CO calls cold......as does button. Blinds fold.....UTG+1 calls. Flop is K52...rainbow. UTG+1 checks.....I bet....CO and button call.....UTG+1 check raises. Now heres the problem. This is a WILD and LOOSE game. UTG+1 will play ANY hand.....and will check raise with A2 offsuit here...believe me. So I have a decision....play weak poker and fold believing I have 2 outs......or 3 bet and be aggressive to get it heads up. I choose to 3 bet and thank goodness CO and button do fold. UTG+1 calls. The turn and river are blanks and UTG+1 check-calls me all the way. Naturally he turns over K9 offsuit. So please tell me.....am I too aggresive? Is this a leak in my game?

[stoxtrader]

checkaraising a field of 4 is generally not a bluff. That said, you seemed to have a solid read on the raisor and did isolate him. I vote for a fold here though because if he doesn't have a king, one of the two callers left to act behind you probably does.

[glen]

Having played the way he did given his read, checking behind on the river is in order as well. . .

[Tosh]

Why ? If his opponent is likely to be calling without a king then you can surely bet the river again for value.

[steveyz]

You went with your read. If this opponent will consistently check-raise with 4 people in the pot, with middle or bottom pair, than your 3-bet is definitely correct. In fact, it may be a good thing and force a weak king to fold behind you. Just remember that because this guy has check raised with bottom/middle pair before, doesn't mean that everytime he checkraises, he doesn't have the goods. It's all about percentages. If he will make this play even 25-30% of the time, pot odds dictate that you should 3-bet this flop, bet the turn, and check through the river. If he makes this play 50%+ of the time with weaker hands, then you should bet the river. Even loose aggros have it sometimes, just not often enough to warrent a field.
Against an unknown, I'd just fold here. If I had the read that you had, I'd do the same thing that you did. If anything, your read might be off, but you did the correct thing given your read.

[glen]

His read wasn't based on the fact that he didn't have a king, but the prossibility that he didn't have a king. Three-betting someone who has checkraised the field demonstrates a lot of stength, and some who is as strong as KQ or KJ would checkcall the rest of the way. Also a lot of people will feel that they need to improve if they have a hand like A2 and will not pay off anyways. I make this play a lot headsup and 3 or 4 handed, and there I am more inclined to value bet the river, since people's cr'ing standards go way down, as well as the implications of the flop 3 bet, but in a full game I think checking behind here is almost always the right thing to do. . .

[pistol78]

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Why ? If his opponent is likely to be calling without a king then you can surely bet the river again for value.

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I dont think a river bet would have been for value. Not in this situation. The man is a LAG but i think he is only calling a river bet here with a K

[Garland]

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and will check raise with A2 offsuit here

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If your read on UTG+1 is he will check-raise any 2nd or 3rd pair, then you basically have to 3-bet and then bet the turn. But by the river, I would check behind as if he called the turn, it's most likely he has top pair and isn't likely to call 2nd or 3rd pair unimproved.

Garland

[mplspoker]

I don't like this play, although i realize that QQ is difficult to get away from, especially against a nut. Problem is he wasn't the only person who has the potential to beat you. How would have you felt if when you 3 bet the flop if the CO and button also called your three bet???? Completely pissing your money away in my opinion. in that position they will never throw away a king or a set, so the only things they are calling you with is things that have you beat...

[Tosh]

Sure he will if he is really that loose. A LAG probably keeps firing with a king.