QQ vs 2+2er

[POKhER]

villan is a 2+2 16.8/8.95/2.45 @ 900 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

yeh cap preflop, dont ask why i called [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Flop: (14.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Call the raise or 3bet?


Turn: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

If im behind and he doesnt have AA i have 2outs to improve and 4 to split (A2345).

He could hold TT/JJ (3bet preflop and i didnt cap so maybe he thinks i could hold At/AJ be worried about kicker? If he has this read hes must have AK/AQ/AA/(KK debateable as would he bet the turn or take free card?

so i can call(with my 4/6outs profitably(4to split if he holds AA).


River: (11.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

then QQ Vs Aggression with one OVERCARD in a big pot... can i really fold for one bet?


Final Pot: 13.25 BB

in conclusion, did i play this ok?
Did he play badly with KK? how about JJ/TT?
how about AJ/AT(I could have held AJ vs His AT and been scared of kickers?)

[lufbradolly]

Cap it pf and the hand becomes much easier to play.

The fact that the over is an A means you might not be good very often.

I'd 3 bet the flop and if he just calls then i'd check the turn and check/call the river, which will get you to showdown cheaply and maybe induce river bets from worse hands.

If he caps the flop then i'd peel one hoping to spike a Q but dump the turn UI.

CAP PREFLOP.

[POKhER]

Trouble is if i 3bet the flop and he holds KK hes still calling us down and i lose(Most 2+2ers and well.. anyone wont let KK go very often?).

Then when i check the turn does he really think im check raising? NO So he'll bet... Then what fold? KK would bet here, JJ/TT may even bet here(But as i raised preflop KQs/KQo is the only hand i see them putting me on that they beat that i PFR with? so they wont?)

So after that this line of:
3bet the flop(peel/fold turn to a cap), Check/fold the turn, Check/call the river seems good?

It: Folds against KK/(TT/JJBut we assume a thinking player wont bet these?)

Induces bluff on river from JJ/TT

Gets us SD Cheaply

Problem: JJ/TT will have us folding a better hand, How often will they bet once we check?

[numeri]

You should cap this pre-flop with the 2 others in there.

A reasonable 3-betting range is probably 99+, AKs/o, and maybe AQs. Many of these will raise the turn, but after the turn bet and then river bet, the hand range narrows significantly. I don't think a 2+2er bets the river without an A. Does he know you're a 2+2er? I think that makes a difference.

I think the villain was overaggressive here without an A. JJ/TT especially would be spewing. KK is OK because you could easily have 99-QQ with that board.

[POKhER]

So where do you fold?

I love the: 3bet flop(Fold/Peel to cap), Check/Fold turn, check call river line.

Do you disagree with that line and why? I'm actually smiling and going to save it to file as "Line against PP vs Aggression with OC on flop".

Thanks.
p.s. yes i think he did know i was a 2+2.

[lufbradolly]

Damm it i was thinking you had position on him sorry.

[numeri]

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I love the: 3bet flop(Fold/Peel to cap), Check/Fold turn, check call river line.

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This is nice. I'm not at a point yet where I have a full set of lines that I use. This is definitely a nice one.

I wish I could offer something better. Maybe others will chime in.

[POKhER]

Even without pos, we can 3bet the flop(Fold reraise or peel 1 fold turn).

then fold the turn if he bets(Although we have outs).

He may check behind with AT/AJ, KK..

Even if not, its a fold the flop or go to SD i think.

[lufbradolly]

Yeah i think that lines fine or you could check/call the whole way.

Costs the same and gets to showdown. Not sure thats a great line though think your payin him off all the time he has a pair of aces and also giving him the opportunity to check behind on the river with KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99. Holdings he could fold to a flop 3 bet.

I think against a solid player like this i'd just fold to the flop raise.

I fold the flop.