Calling a check/raise all in w/ A high

[billyjex]

$30 MTT on Stars. No reads on villian, as I was somewhat new to the table and I wasn't paying great attention anyways.

My thinking is, does he really play a Q that fast? The board is so crippled by any Q....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t1560)
CO (t1040)
Button (t4645)
SB (t1760)
BB (t1755)
UTG (t2865)
Hero (t3700)
MP1 (t1915)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls t250, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t700) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t1460</font>, Hero calls t1060.

[Melchiades]

I think I fold this.

To me it looks like villain holds a pocket pair, but who knows.

[ClaytonN]

this looks like something villain would do with 66-99

i would weigh it 50% small/med PP not including 55
40% some combination of high cards on a bluff
10% queen

fwiw i fold this, you'll still have 30bb and plenty of time to maneuver. i might feel adventurous and call this 20% of the time, though.

[Melchiades]

And I just got moved to your table. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Who was villain and what did he have. Hehe.

[billyjex]

he gave me a funny feeling and ended up having AJd. MHIG.

[nath]

It's not a Q, but you will see small-mid PPs do this a lot because they "know" you wouldn't bet the queen if you had it.
If villain is savvy enough, he might do this with air under the same train of logic, but it's hard to distinguish between the two unless you know your opponent.
Since he called your EP raise even though he'd be out of position all hand, I'd say that his bet is more likely to indicate a pair than some missed junk.
I think it's mostly fold but calling isn't terrible.

p.s. I hope he had 44 and you caught a 5 on the turn.

[henrikrh]

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$30 MTT on Stars. No reads on villian, as I was somewhat new to the table and I wasn't paying great attention anyways.

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My thinking is, does he really play a Q that fast? The board is so crippled by any Q.....

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First you say you have no read, then instead of putting him on a range of hands/play styles you make a snap decision? You need to be thinking that he could easily have 66-AA or the queen or as you said be purely bluffing. You can't put him on a narrow range if you honestly have no reads. He could be raising low suited connectors like 56s, you never know. His raise is big enough that I think you should be folding here. It seems silly to risk 1/3rd of your stack when you could either be quite an underdog or be a tiny bit ahead, the very best situation you could get would be Ax, which I doubt.

my 2 cents.

[stevepa]

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this looks like something villain would do with 66-99

i would weigh it 50% small/med PP not including 55
40% some combination of high cards on a bluff
10% queen

fwiw i fold this, you'll still have 30bb and plenty of time to maneuver. i might feel adventurous and call this 20% of the time, though.

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If you hadn't included the last part, I would've sworn you were arguing a call. So 10% we're dead, 50% we're a 3:1 underdog, and 40% we're 6.2:1 favourites (high cards so I assume we have him dominated). You're basically even money against his range of hands. (50%*25% + 40%*86% = 46.9%) So you're a 53-47 underdog getting 2.5:1...Call.

Steve

[SossMan]

weird, but kind of easy call w/ the math.

You are getting 2.4:1. You only need 30% equity to make the call profitable.

You have ~27-29% equity vs. pair 66-JJ.
You have 40% equity vs. 22-44.
You have 80% equity vs. a worse ace.
You have 70-75% equity vs. two unpaired non-King non-ace.(JTs)

Since you almost break even vs. the middle pairs (probably his most likely holding), you have to consider if he would do this w/ unpaired hands often enough to outweigh the times he does this w/ a Queen or 55 or AA/KK. Given the frequency of each of the hands and the fact that he probably thought he had FE vs. your 'obvious' Ace high, and the fact that this is online, I think that a call is...dare i say...standard?