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Old 07-20-2005, 01:42 AM
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Default QQ - pushing too hard or not enough?

Button is an unknown, SB 48.48/9.09/1.18 after 50 hands

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

<font color="blue">Standard PF line.</font>

Flop: (16 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">Standard, right?</font>

Turn: (12.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="blue"> Standard WA/WB. Correct line to take, or pop him again with the extra 9 outs I picked up? </font>

River: (14.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

<font color="blue">Too agressive/stupid of a raise here, right?</font>

Final Pot: 20.50 BB
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Old 07-20-2005, 02:16 AM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: QQ - pushing too hard or not enough?

WA/WB???? Whaaaat are you talking about?
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Old 07-20-2005, 02:20 AM
DemonDeac DemonDeac is offline
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Default Re: QQ - pushing too hard or not enough?

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WA/WB???? Whaaaat are you talking about?

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dont worry. its standard
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:48 AM
Piiop Piiop is offline
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Default Re: QQ - pushing too hard or not enough?

This hand is good until the river. You should've just called.

Also, on the turn you aren't way ahead or way behind. The only hand you're way behind to is a made flush. You have a good number of outs against a set or two pair. Calling here is correct.
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:12 AM
jordanx jordanx is offline
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Default Re: QQ - pushing too hard or not enough?

SB shows a lot of strength here by capping the flop then leading the turn into the 3rd flush card.

Obviously, he wouldn't put you on the flush, but he has to put you on a high pocket pair.

Two-pair is unlikely as he called the 3-bet from the small blind (w/ J7, J5, 57... unlikely).

So... your looking at a set, or an overplayed flush draw.

So... your raise of the river seems silly, considering the unlikelyness of him having a counterfieted two pair.
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