Pocket pair defence?

#1 09-10-2005, 03:18 AM

Paradise Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, SB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

aK13 · #2 09-10-2005, 03:22 AM

Bet the river.

macdaddy991 · #3 09-10-2005, 03:32 AM

you aren't defending, you are betting the best hand, bet the river

#4 09-10-2005, 03:34 AM

hmm. What about the heart flush on the flop, and the spade draw on the turn?

hackermike · #5 09-10-2005, 03:39 AM

if he bets the river and his raised does he fold or call?

#6 09-10-2005, 03:40 AM

if i raised, i would certainly have to call. If i folded, it would be the weakest play ever.

Eeegah · #7 09-10-2005, 03:48 AM

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hmm. What about the heart flush on the flop, and the spade draw on the turn?

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What heart flush on the flop? And who cares about the spade draw on the turn? You're being scared of completely nonexistant hands at this point. We almost certainly have the best hand on both the flop and the turn. It's fairly likely we have the best hand on the river. Bet and call one raise, probably not two.

#8 09-10-2005, 04:00 AM

well, i ran into A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], but i guess your right, most of the time, i'll have it.

fire_fly · #9 09-10-2005, 07:13 AM

bet this river, and if raised, reraise.

villain will show you a pair of queens more often than anything. Don't be a p**sy.

Only call the raise if there's 4 to a flush or strait on the board.

Eeegah · #10 09-10-2005, 12:23 PM

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bet this river, and if raised, reraise.

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This is really bad advice IMO. When vllains call down without a pair, it's almost always with some sort of Ace-Rag. Moreover, we've already demonstrated that we can beat a pair of Tens and a pair of Jacks; what would make them think we couldn't beat a pair of Queens? Our 3-bet certainly doesn't represent AJ.

If MP2 raises then a flush is probably less likely since he'd need, oh, A6s or soething, but AK, QQ and wackily slowplayed JJ or TT (I seriously hope AA would cap) now beats us*, a fair percentage of what he could hold here.

Moreover, that Q is an awful card for us, completing three seperate straights as well as a BD flush. It also puts three high cards on the board, and QJ, QT and JT are popular hands. Not saying we're absolutely screwed if we're up against a raise, but 3-betting here really smells of spew.