30/60 at Bellagio QQ hand

FoxwoodsFiend · #1 11-01-2005, 01:47 AM

9-handed. Villain is a bit too loose and calls down with marginal holdings but is not particularly passive. Anyway, villain is UTG and hero is in CO w/QQ. Villain limps, 2 limps, villain raises, sb calls, bb calls, all 3 limpers call.
Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Checked to hero who bets, folded to villain who is the only caller.
Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain bets, hero raises, villain reraises, hero reraises, villain calls.
River: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain bets, hero calls.
I'm pretty new to limit-what do you guys think?

DcifrThs · #2 11-01-2005, 01:55 AM

"a bit too loose" and limping UTG w/ 54 are two totally different worlds.

if your read on villian is correct i raise the river and call a 3 bet.

Barron

MCS · #3 11-01-2005, 02:07 AM

Weird play by villain to call the turn and then bet the river. Maybe AQ? Slowplayed 33/22? I doubt it's AA or 54. I agree you should raise the river and call a 3-bet.

smurfitup · #4 11-01-2005, 02:21 AM

sorry to hijack, but how much of a mistake is it to go 4 bets if he re-raises?

Leaky Eye · #5 11-01-2005, 06:51 AM

I would need a read to think a 4bet wasn't profitable.

goofball · #6 11-01-2005, 07:16 PM

I'd have to be there to decide about 4betting you absolutely must raise the river. Most of the time I'd 4 bet it.

Drontier · #7 11-01-2005, 07:40 PM

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"a bit too loose" and limping UTG w/ 54 are two totally different worlds.

if your read on villian is correct i raise the river and call a 3 bet.

Barron

[/ QUOTE ]if your read is correct, why are we not capping?

I.Rowboat · #8 11-01-2005, 08:03 PM

It's live and there is no cap HU. Unless you have a good read and/or villain is complete idiot/maniac, three bets on the river is about the max you can put in w/second set.

obsidian · #9 11-01-2005, 08:18 PM

Raise the river. Two pair is a lot more likely a hand for the villain to be holding than a hand that beats you.

DcifrThs · #10 11-01-2005, 08:20 PM

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"a bit too loose" and limping UTG w/ 54 are two totally different worlds.

if your read on villian is correct i raise the river and call a 3 bet.

Barron

[/ QUOTE ]if your read is correct, why are we not capping?

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because as each raise is completed the probability that he is more than just a bit loose goes down to he's very loose and now has the nuts (or close enough to it, i dont remember the board)

Barron