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Old 02-14-2005, 04:28 PM
Luzion Luzion is offline
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Default AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

MP1 had VP$P = 34, and PFR% = 26. Ok, or no okay? Comments appreciated, thanks.


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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:31 PM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

I'd probably fold the turn. Why did you call the river?
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:36 PM
Quad fours Quad fours is offline
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

I think on that flop you could raise his bet. You earn some information and possibly a free look at the river. If he plays back at you, you can happily fold. I think just calling down is a little weak passive.
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:40 PM
Luzion Luzion is offline
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

I didnt fold the turn because the pot was 9BBs. Since his VP$P = 34, and his PFR% = 26, I figured he most likely had two big face cards and didnt hit the flop or turn. Therefore I probably had 5-6 outs depending if he held an Ace/King or not, and could probably pick up the pot if a small card fell on the river.

I called the river because the pot was so large (11BB's) and felt I had a decent chance of winning it. Heres what he had.

River: (10 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (one pair, sixes).
Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: UTG wins 6 B
B. Hero wins 6 BB.
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:44 PM
Gambler Gambler is offline
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

He's representing the pocket pair leading into you on the flop. I would raise and see what he does. Just calling is too passive.
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:48 PM
RutgersKev RutgersKev is offline
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

This is a clear example of how you need to use position to your absolute advantage in Holdem.

You gotta raise that flop and see what he does. If he just calls and then checks the turn I happily bet. If he calls, then just check the river behind him.

You gotta take control in hands like this. In this hand if you even fired another shell on the river there is a chance he could have folded.

Worse case if you raise the flop MP1 calls and you gain an extra .5 SB's out of the hand.
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

Wow okay. I would never have even considered raising on the flop with position over the guy. Makes lots of sense now, thanks.
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Old 02-14-2005, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

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Wow okay. I would never have even considered raising on the flop with position over the guy. Makes lots of sense now, thanks.

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sounds like a read of Small Stakes Hold'Em may be useful to you. Plays like this are explained in muchos detail [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 02-14-2005, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

I have a copy of SSH, but yeah, looks like another review is in order. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 02-14-2005, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: AKs, did not hit board at all, 1/2 full

He would've gotten me - I'd fold the river for sure.
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