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Old 08-02-2005, 01:34 PM
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Default Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

This was in Bostons sports newspaper, "Barstool Sports" this is just amazing!

"One of the most famous poker reads of all time as told by Phil Hellmuth, who was there was a call Stuey made to win the 1991 "4 Queens POker Classic". Stuey was heads up in a $100K NLHE event against Mansoor Matloubi when the following occured: After a flop of 3-3-7 rainbow, Stuey bet 6K of his remaining 60K in chips, which Matloubi called holding 4-5 offsuit. The turn brought a King and both players checked, and on the river came a Queen making the board 3-3-7-K-Q. Matloubi, correctly sensing weakness, bluffed "allin" for his last 32K, a sizeable bet. Stuey, with $54K left, looked "right through" Mansoor and within 10 seconds said, "You have 4-5 or 5-6; I'm gonna call you with this." He turned over a mere 10-9 for 10-HIGH, which beat Maltoubi's 4-5 and won the tournament".
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

there was another one in Stuey where Doyle made a big bet on the river once in a ring game -

Stuey only has a pair of 2's in the hole - there's 2 or 3 face cards on the board, and he called - Doyle was on a stone cold bluff -

of course, Stuey might have made a few of these calls - we only hear about the successful ones - [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Old 08-02-2005, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

I Don't understand this part of it.

Helmuth went on to say, "Stuey could only beat 4-5, 5-6 or 4-6 in the given scenario"
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Old 08-02-2005, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

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Helmuth went on to say, "Stuey could only beat 4-5, 5-6 or 4-6 in the given scenario"

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I would guess he means: the only hands with which villian would have called the flop.

Though, for example, he could beat 89, villian would never call the flop with 89.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

"There are stories about great calls Stuey made, but I haven’t heard any about great laydowns." -Barry Greenstein (in his player analyis of Ungar at barrygreenstein.com)

I think this sums up a lot of the romanticism that surrounds Stuey. So, is this really a great read, or just one of the few times he made an atrocious call, and was lucky enough to be right?
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

I dunno - to me that REALLY takes a lot of guts to call an all in with 10 high - much more so then bluffing your stack away with 10 high - a bluff has a chance for a fold.

I think it was just one of those times he had a read on his opponent and made it work to the hilt - he was famous for putting people on a hand in NL.

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Old 08-02-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

insane story, i love reading stuff like this. something that i find disappointing in modern tournaments is that you never see any of the pros calling an allin bet with something ridiculous like ten high. obviously you need to have a tremendous read to do something like that but id like to believe that some of these pros truly are good enough to be capable of this.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

Hansen called Antonio's all in with a ten high in one of the WPT events.
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Old 08-02-2005, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

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So, is this really a great read, or just one of the few times he made an atrocious call, and was lucky enough to be right?

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Great read.
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Old 08-02-2005, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: Stu Ungers most famous poker read. This is ridiculous.

the one hansen called with in.. it was a free roll tourney and just from opportunity cost alone, that tourney was -EV for him based on the pay outs.
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