QQ against Cappers and Raisers

[mojobluesman]

With all the betting and raising Pre Flop, I had to figure there was a chance someone had KK or AA. I came out firing on the ragged flop and was raised and re-raised. With a raise and re-raise on that ragged flop, the chances of someone having KK or AA had to skyrocket. A single raise could easily be JJ or even TT, but a re-raise screamed KK or AA. However the pot odds were huge and there's always a chance I was still ahead.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 raises, 2 folds, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero Caps, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (17.00 SB) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)

Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO re-raises, SB calls, Hero?

[benkath1]

Oh what the hell. I'd just go ahead and cap and lead the turn Q.

[waynethetrain]

If my math is correct, you are getting about 13-1 to call (and you still may face a cap). A 2 outer is over 22-1. I think you are behind way more often than not here. I think I would fold.

[Hojglad]

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Oh what the hell. I'd just go ahead and cap and lead the turn Q.

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The two are equivalent.

To the op: is the preflop action accurate? Who put the last raise in - you, or the cutoff (the way it is written, 5 bets were put in pre-flop)? You provide no reads. You are most likely drawing to 2 outs. Your effective odds are terrible. You are paying at least 4 big bets to show this down. An A or K falling completely ruins any showdown value your hand has. I'd fold the flop. Oh, and make sure to buddy list the SB.

[Rev. Good Will]

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Oh what the hell. I'd just go ahead and cap and lead the turn Q.

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the two are equivalent, and rather than providing an arguement, I'm just going to stick with berating you


To the op: is the preflop action accurate? Who put the last raise in - you, or the cutoff (the way it is written, 5 bets were put in pre-flop)? You provide no reads. Your effective odds are terrible. You are paying at least 4 big bets to show this down. An A or K falling completely ruins any showdown value your hand has. I'd fold the flop. Oh, and make sure to buddy list the SB.

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FYP

[Hojglad]

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Oh what the hell. I'd just go ahead and cap and lead the turn Q.

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raise raise raiseReaweawRAisee AWJEIaweji AAGGGRO TWOPLUSTWO RAISE ME LIKE HAND ME RAISE

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the two are equivalent, and rather than providing an arguement, I'm just going to stick with berating you


To the op: is the preflop action accurate? Who put the last raise in - you, or the cutoff (the way it is written, 5 bets were put in pre-flop)? You provide no reads. Your effective odds are terrible. You are paying at least 4 big bets to show this down. An A or K falling completely ruins any showdown value your hand has. I'd fold the flop. Oh, and make sure to buddy list the SB.

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FYP

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You wouldn't consider what follows an argument for folding the flop?

[Rev. Good Will]

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Oh what the hell. I'd just go ahead and cap and lead the turn Q.

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raise raise raiseReaweawRAisee AWJEIaweji AAGGGRO TWOPLUSTWO RAISE ME LIKE HAND ME RAISE

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the two are equivalent, and rather than providing an arguement, I'm just going to stick with berating you


To the op: is the preflop action accurate? Who put the last raise in - you, or the cutoff (the way it is written, 5 bets were put in pre-flop)? You provide no reads. Your effective odds are terrible. You are paying at least 4 big bets to show this down. An A or K falling completely ruins any showdown value your hand has. I'd fold the flop. Oh, and make sure to buddy list the SB.

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FYP

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You wouldn't consider what follows an argument for folding the flop?

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I didn't say anything about the action, I just wanted to point out that the "You're a neanderthal" argument you frequently use is a teeny bit disrespectful

[mojobluesman]

Sorry for the pre-flop error. I had to type out the hand history myself because the converter wasn't working for some reason.

I was the capper. Pre-Flop, MP1 called my raise and CO re-raised. Then I capped and it was called around.

[Hojglad]

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Oh what the hell. I'd just go ahead and cap and lead the turn Q.

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raise raise raiseReaweawRAisee AWJEIaweji AAGGGRO TWOPLUSTWO RAISE ME LIKE HAND ME RAISE

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the two are equivalent, and rather than providing an arguement, I'm just going to stick with berating you


To the op: is the preflop action accurate? Who put the last raise in - you, or the cutoff (the way it is written, 5 bets were put in pre-flop)? You provide no reads. Your effective odds are terrible. You are paying at least 4 big bets to show this down. An A or K falling completely ruins any showdown value your hand has. I'd fold the flop. Oh, and make sure to buddy list the SB.

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FYP

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You wouldn't consider what follows an argument for folding the flop?

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I didn't say anything about the action, I just wanted to point out that the "You're a neanderthal" argument you frequently use is a teeny bit disrespectful

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It might be disrespectful, but so is giving a reply that is saying to cap the flop while admitting we are probably drawing to two outs.

[Hojglad]

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Sorry for the pre-flop error. I had to type out the hand history myself because the converter wasn't working for some reason.

I was the capper. Pre-Flop, MP1 called my raise and CO re-raised. Then I capped and it was called around.

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This changes things quite a bit. If MP1 is the one going nuts on this flop, I definitely fold.