Funky hand. Maniac to my right.

[BoxLiquid]

Hi all. This is a hand where I don't know whether to raise, call, check, or fold on the turn. The villain (UTG) is a maniac and he obviously does not study the game. Take a look.


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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>


Few players behind me. One more donkey to my left. I'm not sure if I should raise the turn to knock the rest of the players out. I might be donating money to the villain (UTG) if he has me beat. If I call then I might get raised by the other opponents. It's pretty sick to even think about folding this hand. Is this one of those hands where you just call and pray?

[hobbsmann]

If UTG is a maniac then this is a very easy raise as it would be nice to fold out hands behind you that have 5 outs and get heads up with a inferior hand held by a guy that will pay off.

[Nick C]

Don't fold.

I would raise, looking put pressure on a hand like 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], if that happens to be what BB has, and also in hopes of charging anyone behind me with a worse ace more to chase their kicker and their six chopping outs versus my hand (the 6's and 2's). I don't really mind if someone folds a worse ace.

Someone behind me may have been slowplaying the flop, but I would take that chance.

[BoxLiquid]

Thanks guys. after reading your posts. I think the best play would be to raise and check the river. I totally forgot that another 6 or 2 would help me split the pot. I can't believe I almost folded. The maniac won with K6.

[Piiop]

....he's a maniac and you're asking this question? Even if he wasn't a maniac....cmon now.

[Nick C]

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Thanks guys. after reading your posts. I think the best play would be to raise and check the river. I totally forgot that another 6 or 2 would help me split the pot. I can't believe I almost folded. The maniac won with K6.

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Just for the record, against the hand the maniac actually held, a 6 wouldn't have helped you. But a 2 or an ace on the river would have won the pot for you.

I do think the maniac's turn donk-bet is confusing enough to be troublesome. That king could have helped him in some weird way, like it did. I still think you should raise, though. He could have just picked up a flush draw or something. Or maybe he decided now was the time to come to life with his pocket 6's. Or maybe he has QTo and picked up a gutshot. He's a maniac, so who knows?

Edit: And if UTG had a more sensible range of hands, the king doesn't seem like a card that should have pulled him ahead of you. So, just in general, I like a raise in this spot. (My biggest concern against someone with a reasonable range is that he might be trying to bet/3-bet with a flopped set.)