go for overcalls or raise?

slik · #1 10-16-2005, 05:54 PM

Don't have significant stats on these players, but I had a strong feeling that button would bet the river here, giving me the chance to checkraise. when should I donk bet the river here? when should i go for the checkraise? and when should I let button bet and just smooth call? What do I do here?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero ?

GetThere1Time · #2 10-16-2005, 05:59 PM

Lead the river. If you c/r you're probably only winning 2 bets and sometimes you whiff. If you lead you'll likely get a call and an overcall. I see you making 2 bets minimum if you lead. Sometimes all 3 might call and you win 3 bets. Sometimes you might even get raised and win more.

Stefan_K · #3 10-16-2005, 06:00 PM

i fold preflop

i don't checkraises rivers very often and very rare without reads. Bet the river

Peter Harris · #4 10-16-2005, 06:03 PM

how thinking are the opponents? I like a donk bet here as you may get a callers and a button raise. If you check and it gets checked through you vomit; if you check and button bets you may not get the overcallers.

I like the donkbet, call, fold, raise, 3-bet scenario.

GetThere1Time · #5 10-16-2005, 06:03 PM

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i fold preflop

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I think this is a mistake getting 9:1 with a passive field

brazilio · #6 10-16-2005, 06:07 PM

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i fold preflop

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I think this is a mistake getting 9:1 with a passive field

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It's actually kind of close, but according to an Andrew Prock analysis, you're profitable at 13:1 with unsuited connectors and they're playable at 11:1 if you're willing to make some loos(er) calls. Entity had a thread about this awhile ago in SS I think, jason_t said something about it before as well, I only briefly read it. I'd probably complete with this, but I think it's very close and dependent on the players.

slik · #7 10-16-2005, 07:36 PM

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how thinking are the opponents? I like a donk bet here as you may get a callers and a button raise. If you check and it gets checked through you vomit; if you check and button bets you may not get the overcallers.

I like the donkbet, call, fold, raise, 3-bet scenario.

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i don't think they're thinking much. mainly playing their cards w/o bluffing. i think donking is best now as others mentioned. in the hand it got checked around to the button who bet his Q8 2-pair. i checkraised and only button called.

Peter Harris · #8 10-16-2005, 07:55 PM

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in the hand it got checked around to the button who bet his Q8 2-pair. i checkraised and only button called.

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which was the most likely occurence c/ring there; if you're gonna check to the button, you're better off calling and hoping for 1 or 2 overcalls rather than check-raising as even the dopiest player is unlikely to call 2 cold on the river (as opposed to leading their set/2pair).

Ah well, lessons learned and all. I'm still working up my roll to play 2/4 and 3/6 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

gl,
Pete Harris