QJs in SB

#1 12-10-2005, 05:17 PM

2nd orbit around the table. MP2 hasn't been involved in a lot of hands so no reads yet. MP3 has been involved in several hands and just had a set lose to a rivered straight last hand.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (9 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

What's my line on the river and why?

Vote4Pedro · #2 12-10-2005, 05:19 PM

Bet/Fold, because check/fold and check/call are weaksauce

DCWildcat · #3 12-10-2005, 05:25 PM

Hmm. Any ace has you beat. On the good side, I don't see many aces continuing to the river that you wouldn't have heard from already, except maybe A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] that peeled in a big pot.

Check/call. You'll get raised by any straights and slowplayed flushes all the time, and I'm not putting 2 bets in the river if I can avoid it. Easy muck if there's a bet and a raise.

DCWildcat · #4 12-10-2005, 05:26 PM

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Bet/Fold, because check/fold and check/call are weaksauce

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Pot a little big for a bet/fold? I hate missing value bets more than almost anyone else on this forum, but this board is ugly. If we weren't tied to the pot, I'd love a bet/fold.

Eeegah · #5 12-10-2005, 05:34 PM

I don't understand the preflop raise when we have the worst position for the rest of the hand.

nomadtla · #6 12-10-2005, 05:36 PM

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Bet/Fold, because check/fold and check/call are weaksauce

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With the way you played the hand so far I think this is your ony option.

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MP3 has been involved in several hands and just had a set lose to a rivered straight last hand.

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This is not a read this is a statement, how he played that set is the read.

Preflop - 1 We are out of position and I think we need at least 2 more limpers to make this an equity raise with a multiway hand. 2 I think I just complete.
Flop - the preflop raise got us into a pickle cause we hit this flop. 1 Since we raised I think we have to bet it cause having this draw heavy board checked through sucks. 2 Had we not raised Pre then I like a check here with the intent of raising a bet from your right or calling a bet that comes from the left. I hate our position and we have very few clean outs on this coordinated board. If flop comes 2 back to us by us not raising preflop we've made the pot small enough we can fold IMO.
Turn - 1 the way you played it bet/fold.
2 Without the preflop raise it depends heavily on the flop action, probably check/call since you gained some more "dirty" (since your straight draw may allready be against a flush) outs. I don't think check/fold would be terrible either.
River - bet/fold no matter what way you played it.

1 - my line considering the preflop raise
2 - my line of choice

Redd · #7 12-10-2005, 05:53 PM

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I don't understand the preflop raise when we have the worst position for the rest of the hand.

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FWIW I agree with this. I'd sometimes try this OTB with this many limpers and always try it OTB with one more limper but I rarely pull this from SB.

bozlax · #8 12-10-2005, 06:05 PM

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Bet/Fold, because check/fold and check/call don't cost enough and I hate money

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fyp

#9 12-10-2005, 06:06 PM

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MP3 has been involved in several hands and just had a set lose to a rivered straight last hand.

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This is not a read this is a statement, how he played that set is the read.

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He played it very passively, just calling one bet each on the flop and turn and two bets on the river. The river card put an inside straight on the board.

#10 12-10-2005, 06:08 PM

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I don't understand the preflop raise when we have the worst position for the rest of the hand.

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FWIW I agree with this. I'd sometimes try this OTB with this many limpers and always try it OTB with one more limper but I rarely pull this from SB.

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I'm a newbie. OTB? What does this mean? Off the blind?