What I need to know.

[NaobisDad]

I'll be dealing 7stud for the first time at our local game here soon. I've been thinking about posting this in the home poker forum, but i thought I 'd get best responses here.

Basically, what I'm looking for is all information you might want to share on being a good 7stud dealer.

I know thati n most games the lowcard brings it in for about half a bet. And the rest calls that bring in, completes the bet, or raises. But who do I give cards first? Is there a dealer button like in other games?
And does the person to receive the cards first on 3rd continue to receive cards first on other streets or is it the one who opens the action on other streets, namely the one that has the highest board?

And I also know about people with a pair on the board being allowed to open for a double bet.

But I wanna know all ins and outs. So bring it on! Give me the information that can make me the dealer you always wanted at your table!

THanks in advance.

Leroy

[Iceman]

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I know thati n most games the lowcard brings it in for about half a bet.

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The bring-in should be a third or a quarter of a small bet, to encourage action. This encourages people to limp in more for the bring-in, and makes it more important for legitimate hands to raise to not let all those draws in cheaply.

The low card has the option to bring it in for a full bet. In some places, if there are limpers on third street and no raise, the low card has the option of raising when the action gets back to him.

For the purposes of deciding who the bring-in is when two players have the same card, and for deciding who starts off on later rounds when the boards are tied, spades are the highest suit, then hearts, then diamonds, then clubs are the lowest.

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And the rest calls that bring in, completes the bet, or raises. But who do I give cards first? Is there a dealer button like in other games?

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There's no dealer button - just always deal clockwise starting from your immediate left.

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And does the person to receive the cards first on 3rd continue to receive cards first on other streets or is it the one who opens the action on other streets, namely the one that has the highest board?

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On later streets, you deal to remaining players starting from your left and going clockwise, and the highest board starts off the action. When you're comparing boards to see which is highest, you ignore partial straights and flushes. A board of 5s2d9h2c is considered higher than KcQcJcTc. If two players have the same board, you go by the suit of their highest card.

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And I also know about people with a pair on the board being allowed to open for a double bet.

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If any player has a pair on board on fourth street, every player has the option to make a double bet. Players can still make single bets when there's a pair on board, but once a double bet is made on fourth street all other bets on fourth street must be double bets.

There's normally a limit of four bets per round. Under some rules, if the action is heads-up, the two remaining players can make an unlimited number of bets.

[Andy B]

I agree that the bring-in should be around 1/3 of the small bet, and that a 1/4 SB bring-in is far better than a 1/2 SB bring-in.

When two players have the same board on fourth-seventh streets, the player closest to the dealer's left has the first action.

I believe a five-bet cap is the norm in Vegas, and it's what they use at Canterbury. I prefer the five-bet cap, but use whatever you use in other games.

[BeerMoney]

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When two players have the same board on fourth-seventh streets, the player closest to the dealer's left has the first action.



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It's better to do it by suit because then there is no disadvantage in being closer to the dealer.

[Andy B]

Every casino and home game I've ever played in uses the left-of-dealer rule. Doing it by suits may be more "fair," but so freaking what? It doesn't come up that often. For my money, any disadvantage that might come from sitting to the dealer's immediate left is more than made up for by the fact that I have a couple of extra seconds with my hole cards every hand.

[NaobisDad]

Thanks for this excellent advise.

An additional question, something you can't find in the rules.

What are the specific traits you would want the dealer to have? Let me name a few silly things as examples, but i'm of course looking for more.

For instance, would he/she allow the players to touch their board cards? Would he/she deal the cards next to eachother or in a sloppy manner? Things like that. Things that you have observed to have practical merit.

[Andy B]

The most endearing characteristic for a dealer to have is to, like, shut the hell up already.

Ideally, a player's board cards should be positioned in the order in which they are received. The dealer has to pitch the cards a fair distance in some cases, and it is not to be expected that you will land each one perfectly. If you can reach a player's board to fix it, great. If not, it isn't that big of a deal. At least half of every up-card must be visible, so it is the dealer's responsibilty to make sure that a player's up-cards aren't covering one another. If you can't reach, ask the player to fix his board. Players are permitted to arrange their up-cards, but if they do so, their board cards must be arranged in the order in which they were received. Ideally, the player's board cards should all touch one another. If you get them out so that each player's board cascades, such that each succeeding up-card covers about a quarter of the previous up-card, fabulous. If you get them in the right general area, though, that's probably good enough.

If you're really interested in this stuff, get The Professional Poker Dealer's <font color="red">Handbook</font>. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[timmer]

Usually a 4 bet cap in Vegas Although some houses cap it at 4 raises

Players must keep the board or any open cards in the order in which they are originally dealt to them. Community cards when dealt should be arranged from the dealers right to left

Turning all cards face down or placing ones hole cards into the muck or pot signifies a fold, after which all cards in the folded hand are placed face down in the muck. After either action the hand is considered to be dead.

It is the players obligation to protect his own hand from fouling at all times. Fouled hands are generally considered to be dead. It is not acceptable for Any person to touch, foul or expose another players hand at any time. Doing so may exact some form of penalty. ( The host or floor person may do so only if uninvolved in the current hand and only if a ruling is required).

Verbally stated action generally is not binding in limit ring games.

Verbally stated action generally is binding in Pot limit and No Limit ring games and in tournament play If stated in turn.

Action out of turn in not binding unless significant action had followed ( any raise, a bet and a call or two additional calls or checks)

Cards speak

All cards must remain on or above the table surface at all times.

One player to a hand any player involved in the pot or not should never comment on and or instuct a fellow player on how he should play his live hand.

All wagers should be placed in a verifiable manner and in plain view in front of the player making them. Wagers should never be placed directly into the pot.

Before the commencement of the next deal or betting round and after the wagering process is complete the Dealer shall verify then gather all wagers into the pot(s) Antes should be gathered into the pot before the commencement of the next deal. Blinds should be left in front of the players placing them until the completion of the "pre flop" action.

All table stakes must remain in plain view and cannot be added to until the hand in play is completed.

Once table stakes are in play no portion may be removed from the table until the player leaves the game for the night. Cash stakes are not subjected to this rule but are required to be replaced after the players return. stakes may be used to pay time charges, however should not be used as tips.

Moneys from chip to cash transactions are usually not considered stakes if the chips were originally purchased for this purpose and a banker is not used. Such moneys are generally considered to be "non stakes" or not in play and should be marked as "off" in some manner such placing them in a distinct and separate stack and or covering them. Any moneys determined not to be stakes should be marked as "off" or covered.

The dealer or person inactive in the current pot should make change from the pot when chip to chip exchanges are needed to complete the action. When such chip to chip exchanges are made they should be confirmed by all the players active in the pot. Such chip to chip exchanges should be made immediately whenever required to complete the action on the current betting round.

Chip to chip transactions between players should only be made between deals or when neither player remains in the action.

upon the completion of the final betting round any called hand Must be shown upon request by any person remaining in the pot.

Any player going all in shall remain in the pot until its reward but shall only be eligible for those moneys contributed prior to, including his all in action and any subsequent calls related to it. These moneys shall be placed in a separate delineated stack. This pot is referred to as the "main pot". ( if a players all in action is insufficient to cover any previous action then only moneys contributed by players active in the pot that are equivalent to his all in wager and action on prior betting rounds shall be placed into the main pot)All additional raises and calls thereof made after a player goes all or any action in excess thereof in shall be contained with in a "side" pot and shall be awarded to the player with the best live hand still in contention for the "side"pot. The all in player has no rights to any "side" pot regardless of his hands strength. Additional side pots may be needed at these rules apply for all.

These guidelines may differ from house to house or from
gaming jurisdictions to jurisdiction. This spirit of these guidelines should be observed rather than their strict letter.


timmer

[timmer]

You only need to announce the high card and its suit or the high pair when initiating the lead on a new betting round .

saying possible flush, possible straight, before during or after the deal really isnt exceptable. although those cruddy Low limit dealers do it all the time

the patter should be... "Ace of hearts leads".... "Pair of sixes is first".....perhaps even... "two pair, fours over threes" but only if another larger pair is on board.. if not it should be "a pair of fours is our leader " or somthing similar.

timmer

[Andy B]

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Verbally stated action generally is not binding in limit ring games.


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I've never been to Vegas, but at Canterbury, verbally stated action made in turn is binding, as well it should be.

I always tip from out of my stack.