Folding top pair

[Spicymoose]

BB is41/3.1/.5 after 220 hands, MP is 18/11/1.9 after 250 hands, and CO is 28/10/.5 after only 20 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (16.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds, MP calls.

Final Pot: 15.16 BB

[istewart]

Flop looks like a fold despite the odds you're getting, but I'm not sure. Even when you pair up you're losing money too often I would imagine.

River looks good.

I'm confused as to why you wouldn't fold pre-flop if you intend to fold your hand if it hits.

[admiralfluff]

I think this is a fold preflop, a fold on the flop, a bet/fold on the turn. River looks good.

[Spicymoose]

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I'm confused as to why you wouldn't fold pre-flop if you intend to fold your hand if it hits.

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Yes, obviously that was my plan.

[Spicymoose]

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I think this is a fold preflop

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Even getting 7:1, plus good implied odds if I get something really nice?

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a fold on the flop

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Getting 19:1 closing the action? I would need about 2 outs.

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a bet/fold on the turn.

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I was thinking earlier that I didn't want to do that because I would have odds to draw, but I realize now that the paired 2s kill my Q outs vs AA or KK.

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River looks good.

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What do you do if MP bets and BB folds?

[istewart]

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a fold on the flop


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Getting 19:1 closing the action? I would need about 2 outs.

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This is true but vs. the range of hands that are likely out there how often do you have two outs? Even when you're not drawing dead to a huge pair I'd say it's too likely you're up against something like JJ and AQ and you're going to often pay off when you hit.

[admiralfluff]

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I think this is a fold preflop


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Even getting 7:1, plus good implied odds if I get something really nice?

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The problem is you are almost always dominated. With QJs it would be closer, and I think most would say call. With QT I think it's over the line.
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a fold on the flop


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Getting 19:1 closing the action? I would need about 2 outs.


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If there was a diamond on the flop maybe it's a call, but MP will have you drawing to runner runner often enough that when you factor in reverse implied odds your hand isn't worht 2 outs.

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a bet/fold on the turn.


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I was thinking earlier that I didn't want to do that because I would have odds to draw, but I realize now that the paired 2s kill my Q outs vs AA or KK.


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exactly. I actually think it's a close decision between check/fold and bet/fold.

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River looks good.


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What do you do if MP bets and BB folds?

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I begrudgingly call.

[Spicymoose]

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I think this is a fold preflop


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Even getting 7:1, plus good implied odds if I get something really nice?


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The problem is you are almost always dominated. With QJs it would be closer, and I think most would say call. With QT I think it's over the line.


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Isn't QJs more likely to be dominated?


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a bet/fold on the turn.


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I was thinking earlier that I didn't want to do that because I would have odds to draw, but I realize now that the paired 2s kill my Q outs vs AA or KK.


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exactly. I actually think it's a close decision between check/fold and bet/fold.


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I don't think we can check fold this, The pot is big, and we might be ahead of MPs 88, 99, AK. We also have 5 outs vs JJ.