Interesting table conversation

[Wevie]

What the hell is this guy talking about??

First, the hand we are talking about:


***** Hand History for Game 2440210981 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14344703 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, July 28, 21:22:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 11044 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: acedeuceinc ( $800 )
Seat 10: lilfishy2 ( $800 )
Seat 5: angrychair11 ( $800 )
Seat 4: phuqued111 ( $800 )
Seat 1: AstroWars ( $800 )
Seat 2: boilerboob ( $800 )
Seat 3: Wevie ( $800 )
Seat 9: IIsiah_00 ( $800 )
Seat 7: DeathByPoker ( $800 )
Seat 8: elmoluvsSCI ( $800 )
Trny:14344703 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wevie [ 6h Qd ]
angrychair11 calls [15].
acedeuceinc calls [15].
DeathByPoker folds.
elmoluvsSCI calls [15].
IIsiah_00 calls [15].
lilfishy2 calls [15].
AstroWars calls [15].
boilerboob calls [15].
Wevie calls [5].
phuqued111: nice AIC reference
phuqued111 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 5h, Qs ]
Wevie bets [15].
phuqued111 calls [15].
phuqued111: angry
angrychair11 folds.
acedeuceinc folds.
elmoluvsSCI folds.
IIsiah_00 calls [15].
lilfishy2 folds.
AstroWars raises [50].
boilerboob calls [50].
Wevie calls [35].
phuqued111 calls [35].
IIsiah_00 calls [35].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ]
Wevie checks.
phuqued111 checks.
IIsiah_00 checks.
AstroWars bets [135].
boilerboob raises [270].
Wevie folds.
phuqued111 folds.
IIsiah_00 folds.
AstroWars calls [135].
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
AstroWars bets [350].
boilerboob is all-In [465]
AstroWars is all-In [115]
AstroWars shows [ Qh, 7h ] a full house, Tens full of queens.
boilerboob shows [ 4h, Kh ] three of a kind, tens.
AstroWars wins 1855 chips from the main pot with a full house, Tens full of queens.
boilerboob finished in tenth place.
boilerboob has left the table.
Game #2440221906 starts.



Then the conversation:


HERO: damn - threw the Q on the turn
AstroWars: i think you'd have been bet out of it !
HERO: na, after the 3 10's I'm not thinking quads
HERO: I WAS thinking set on the turn
AstroWars: 2 flush draws !
HERO: full house 10's Q's
AstroWars: yep i know but that wasn't what we were bettin on
AstroWars: flush i'd have lost!!



errrr........last I checked, a full house beats a flush, right? TsQs could have drawn to a straight flush, but c'mon...how often do you see a straight flush?

[adanthar]

I don't know, but what are you thinking about calling a raise with that?

[Wevie]

Top pair and a three flush (albeit, not a good one) plus it wasn't much of a raise.

Edit: Probably a little tilt, hadn't been past a flop yet this tourney, sometimes I get frustrated.

[adanthar]

"Not much of a raise" is a good way to leak chips early. BTW, that call in front of you made your overcall even more awesome.

Harsh for a reason, y'know?

[Wevie]

By all means, I appreciate the criticism. I'm a beginner and currently learning to control the tilt. Yes it loses me a lot of chips early. I'll plug the leak eventually.

[tshort]

neat

[Quercus]

This is a good example why completing the small blind with any two cards when its just T5 can be a bad idea.

With this many people in the pot, I do not lead out with my TP here - just way too much chance that I'm dominated or otherwise crushed. If I do lose my head and lead out, its going to be for at least 1/3 to 1/2 the pot. I want to find out if there is anyone out there that likes this flop. A bet of 15 into this pot will chase no one out leaving me in a position of having to put more chips into the dark tunnel.

If I did lead out and got raised, I'd turbomuck - especially with the overcall.

When you complete from the SB in this situation, you are looking to flop a well-concealed monster that allows you to snag a big chunk of stack. If you don't flop that, you should routinely muck these sorts of optical illusion hands.

[Quercus]

[ QUOTE ]
I'll plug the leak eventually.

[/ QUOTE ]

Easy leak to plug. Top pair no kicker out of position into a large field is a bad NL hand.

You always want to be the one who's dominating other hands, not the one who is being dominated. Especially at the 11s, you'll have plenty of good opportunities to lay the smack down on people who willingly go into situations as 3:1 underdogs. Just be patient and wait for those opportunities to present themselves.

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
This is a good example why completing the small blind with any two cards when its just T5 can be a bad idea.


[/ QUOTE ]

Nah, actually, this is a great example of why (were his other card a 5) completing with any two cards is a fantastic idea, unless you think that flush draw folds to a push.

[Quercus]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This is a good example why completing the small blind with any two cards when its just T5 can be a bad idea.


[/ QUOTE ]

Nah, actually, this is a great example of why (were his other card a 5) completing with any two cards is a fantastic idea, unless you think that flush draw folds to a push.

[/ QUOTE ]

Most players do not have the discipline to throw away marginal made hands and find out that these "cheap" flops they are seeing end up costing them a bundle.

Players that can tell the difference between a marginal hand and a playable one are the exception rather than the rule - especially at the 11s. (Hence my comment was more a generality than one aimed at skilled players.)