These hands are effing killing me.

Eihli · #1 04-11-2005, 11:29 PM

Empire $25+2 $10k gauranteed. 60 left, 40 pay. Average stack is about 5.5k

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (10 handed) converter

CO (t2260)
Button (t6569)
SB (t3320)
BB (t5756)
UTG (t7125)
UTG+1 (t10584)
UTG+2 (t1980)
MP1 (t4780)
Hero (t4982)
MP3 (t6685)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to t1200, 2 folds, Button calls t1200, 2 folds.

I didn't notice the button playing loose. And if he was watching me he knew I wasn't playing loose either.

Flop: (t3000) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1400, Button calls t1400.

I didn't want to make this bet, I just felt obligated to.

Turn: (t5800) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t2500, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t8300

A few hands later...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) converter

BB (t2260)
UTG (t4989)
UTG+1 (t3120)
MP1 (t4356)
MP2 (t6325)
MP3 (t10804)
CO (t9360)
Hero (t2182)
SB (t6685)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO calls t400, 2 folds, CO calls t1782.

Flop: (t2782) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t2782) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t2782) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t2782

Am I right or what?

Iconoclastic · #2 04-12-2005, 12:02 AM

For the 1st hand I advise a smaller preflop raise, to 800 or so. First, it might encourage a push who interprets your small raise as a sign of weakness, a push you will gladly call with a weak stack. Second, it still takes away pot odds from most implied odds hands, even in the blinds. Third, you will be able to make a much more intimidating Full Pot continuation bet instead of a half pot bet that you made which has a lower % of scaring a Villain away. And with the smaller preflop raise even after the continuation Full Pot flop bet you'll still be able to get away from a reraise with a stack that still has FE.

2nd hand is easy push.

Roman · #3 04-12-2005, 01:04 AM

I push both hands pf.

sdplayerb · #4 04-12-2005, 01:11 AM

you advocate minraising preflop? that is just terrible

Roman · #5 04-12-2005, 01:19 AM

yup.

Eihli · #6 04-12-2005, 01:29 AM

Why push with AKo with 12BB and only the blinds in? I want something like KQs or AQ to push over the top of my raise. I don't want to fold those hands out.

Roman · #7 04-12-2005, 01:39 AM

AQ prolly calls anyway. The problem is that you will often be called and be facing a situation with a big pot pf, not a lot behind, and the fact that you miss 2/3 flops.

Iconoclastic · #8 04-12-2005, 03:53 AM

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you advocate minraising preflop? that is just terrible

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I gave several reasons as to why raising to about 800 is the correct play. Could you give some specific reasons why it's "just terrible"?

kslghost · #9 04-12-2005, 06:06 AM

I agree with pushing it in preflop. You don't have enough chips to make this raise and make a comprobable continuation bet, so you want to just win the small pot. Stealing blinds this big works for you.

Eihli · #10 04-12-2005, 06:22 AM

Because man! Come on! Min-raising!!! You know...