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Old 08-04-2005, 05:42 PM
muckyouraces muckyouraces is offline
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Default AK in position, should I fold?

it's $5-10NL. it's a 10 handed game. everyone with about $1k
I have AK on the button. One player limps, I make it $35 to go. BB calls and the limper calls. the flop comes A 6 2 rainbow. it's checked to me. I bet $75. the BB calls, the other player folds. the turn is a 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] making a flush draw out there. the BB checks and I bet $150 and he calls. The river is a 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and the BB bets $300(about 1/2 the pot). Should I fold or call? Should I have played this any differently up to that point?
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

In this scenario, I typically overbet the pot on the flop.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

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In this scenario, I typically overbet the pot on the flop.

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

this is the last flop w/ AK i'd overbet
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

You have to call. You are getting 3 to on your money.

You could have checked the turn if you wanted to keep the pot small. Don't worry so much about a runner runner flush draw.

Usually I would check that turn.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:53 PM
Richie Rich Richie Rich is offline
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

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To avoid getting milked with TPTK. While every NL situation is player dependant, not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:55 PM
Richie Rich Richie Rich is offline
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

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Usually I would check that turn.

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Old 08-04-2005, 05:55 PM
Post-Oak Post-Oak is offline
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

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To avoid getting milked with TPTK. While every NL situation is player dependant, not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

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Yeah, but how many reasonable players would call a 3/4 pot bet with no draw and a marginal hand? There is no reason to overbet the pot.
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

wtf is this reasoning...basically you get nothing out of them when you are ahead, and lose a lot more when you're behind? this is terrible advice...
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:56 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

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why would you ever overbet this flop?

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To avoid getting milked with TPTK. While every NL situation is player dependant, not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

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yes, so an overbet runs you into the two pair and set hands, and you fold all weaker aces.

the marginal hands are the only hands you're beating which can call a flop bet, so you really dont want them to fold. *you want them to call incorrectly (esp because the marginal hands, such as weaker aces, middle pair, under pairs, have 2 to 5 outs)

this is where I'd half pot the flop, pot control turn, call or bet myself on river... maximize value vs weaker aces and minimize vs two pair / sets...
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Old 08-04-2005, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: AK in position, should I fold?

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not many "reasonable" players will check-call an oversized pot bet on a drawless flop with a marginal hand.

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Aren't people with marginal hands exactly the people that we want in the pot?
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