Better long term, $200-$400 PL or 10/20-20/40 Limit?

[Baseballer02]

I'm generally a PL player, haven't played Limit O8 in a couple months. However, lately I've been watching the 10/20-20/40 limit games on Party and have not been impressed whatsoever. My current PL level is $200, and after a couple thousand more hands I'll probably be moving up to $400 PL if I'm not too much of a pussy for it. Which should be better monetary wise for the long term, 10/20-20/40 limit or $200-$400 PL? Thanks for any thoughts, advice, etc.

[Wintermute]

You can probably guess my opinion... but I prefer PL because it's more interesting, and easier to seperate fools from their money quickly. I'm pretty sure you would achieve comparable win rates, so I don't think $ would be a determining factor, unless you are much better at PL than limit or vice versa.

Also, keep in mind that PL offers an easier chance to move up later.

[Big Dave D]

Although Winter is absolutely right, the reasons he is right should move you to specialising in limit Omaha. The truth is that plo8b for big money has *always* been a dead game. There is one site with action above 400 at the moment, and I would guess that the games, unless a short handed specialist like Winter, are not as great as before.

In limit hilo, especially if you can master short handed and headsup, then the action can go all the way up to 300-600, with 30-60 and 75-150 running most of the time.

gl

dd

[sy_or_bust]

The answer is usually limit, especially if you play live poker. On Party, though, the $200-$600 PLO8 games tend to be softer than the big limit games on a regular basis. It's good to play both, if you want to play only Omaha.

[Wintermute]

I think the high-limit PLO8 games at Party are still very good for the best PLO8 specialists (read: not me). PTO stats reveal that there are players there who are beating that game regularly for massive sums; players who are getting their asses handed to them in a hat are also still regular players. I don't doubt that eventually these games will dry up completely, but they don't seem "dead" by my understanding of the word... also, lower limits seem to be staying relatively well-stocked with easy money.

Big Dave, I'm curious if you have experience with recognizing warning signs of when a PLO8 game is going "dead"... or what that means to you... it seems that as long as there are consistent winners and consistent losers, the game is still live. In particular, I'm wondering if there will be obvious clues other than slipping win rate when the games begin to die (eg, tighter play, more emphasis on positional play, etc).

[Big Dave D]

Winter,

I'm no fan of short handed plo8b...i think its even more a luckfest, paradoxically, than most games SH, so all my comments are full ring game only.

The problem with PLO8b as a game, which PLO doesnt share, is that if enough people start playing tight, then playing tight becomes the *only* winning strategy. SO you all just sit around playing ultra cautiously, or those daft annoying hands where you each have the one side of the pot and 4-8 outs to hit the other side, whilst waiting for the fish to turn up. This is what the 1k and 2k games were like on Stars- which I think were before your time. In fact the only thing that would kick the games off was Buklah turning up, which was quite bizarre, as he was a winning player too, but much more aggressive than most.

So if you find yourself in a ring game full of rocks you know you are nearing the end.

gl

dd

[Wintermute]

Buklah... I played him heads up for a couple hours before the big games were going on Party. It was not a fun experience.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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I'm no fan of short handed plo8b...i think its even more a luckfest, paradoxically, than most games SH, so all my comments are full ring game only.


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How are SH games a 'luckfest'? SH games allow the better players to separate the worst players from their money faster because situations are more marginal (and therefore better decision making is exponentially rewarded) and more hands are played in the same timeframe. I don't understand this comment at all. Full ring is a nitfest.

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The problem with PLO8b as a game, which PLO doesnt share, is that if enough people start playing tight, then playing tight becomes the *only* winning strategy.

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This also makes no sense. If the only time people will put money in the pot is with the stone cold nuts then you will make tons of money simply by betting every pot. Most pots, no one makes anything good.

Your post is weird because you sound like you know what you're talking about but everything you say is completely wrong. I don't get it.

[emptyshell]

Why can't I just be a Buklah then?

[Big Dave D]

Short handed he was absolutely lethal. He plays on Party now I believe. Look for someone who only speaks in capitals.

gl

dd