Why is 50% ROI impossible?

Why is everyone so sure that 50% is absolutely impossible no matter what the level is? Is there some mathematical proof that says skill cannot overcome luck by that much?

well, lets just say we take it on faith that if the best on these boards cant do it, no one can.

to answer your question a little more thoroughly, what do you mean by "skill"? The general interpretation of that word in this sense would be getting in your bets when you have the best of it... be it pf, on the flop, turn, or river.

but yes, invariably, even when you have the best of it pf, flop, or whatever, eventually they will draw on you.

[Freudian]

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Why is everyone so sure that 50% is absolutely impossible no matter what the level is? Is there some mathematical proof that says skill cannot overcome luck by that much?

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I don't think it is impossible but your opponents have constantly to make really stupid plays on a level that is unheard of, like calling all-ins on a missed flop with 9 high.

[lorinda]

I'm going to guess that if you played 1000 $5s on Stars or UB and chose you games incredibly carefully with a lot of forward planning, and only playing when rested and one tabling, that it might JUST be possible to hit 50% ROI.

I am willing to bet that you cannot do it over 2000 games at Party.

Lori

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under L's condition, very likely the most skilled among us could do it at stars... but who has that kinda time?

I've averaged 40% ROI at the stars 5's for around 100 SNGs. I've been 3 tabling too, and I certainly dont consider myself very good (I started in the middle of september playing the $5's, played the $1.20's before that.)

I bet raptor or any of the other good guys could get 60% at the stars $5's.

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I've averaged 40% ROI at the stars 5's for around 100 SNGs. I've been 3 tabling too, and I certainly dont consider myself very good (I started in the middle of september playing the $5's, played the $1.20's before that.)

I bet raptor or any of the other good guys could get 60% at the stars $5's.

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You have a very small sample size and are on a heater.

[Karak567]

100 games is nothing.

Do that over 1000 games and I might believe you.

Might.

No one is getting 60 %, sorry.

Why is everyone so negative about the possibility that $5's are extremely (50%) profitable? Either of the above 2 posters care to point to a thread where someone did 1000 ( or even 300-400) $5's, and they have records of their ITM/ROI? I think everyone is being dismissive too quickly, and it may be possible. Unless you have played the $5s, you really have no idea how bad the play is. I'm not trying to be negative, but I really think this is possible.

I'm guarantee that someone could get 50% ROI at the 60 cent tables at Absolute [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. Everyone there basically treats it like a play money game. Plus you get 1500 chips and the blinds start at 5-10.