Standard?

Popinjay · #1 02-19-2005, 06:21 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (9 handed) converter

UTG ($574.60)
UTG+1 ($140.30)
MP1 ($330.50)
MP2 ($113.80)
MP3 ($709.10)
Hero ($557.95)
Button ($618.40)
SB ($594)
BB ($1114.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6, MP3 calls $6, Hero calls $6, Button calls $6, BB checks.

Flop: ($33) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, jbjb(anb) checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $18, Hero calls $18, Button calls $18, SB folds, BB calls $18, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($105) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $96, Button calls $96, BB folds, MP3 folds.

River: ($297) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $150, Button raises to $498.4, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $849.40

fimbulwinter · #2 02-19-2005, 06:24 AM

in this game (which I've never played) what would a flop raise be interpreted as?

fim

Popinjay · #3 02-19-2005, 06:27 AM

I had been playing pretty tight so a raise would be seen as a powerful hand. The flop bettor I didn't figure for much of anything, he'd been doing weird things all night (1/3 pot bet on river when board pairs low card with absolutely nothing).

fimbulwinter · #4 02-19-2005, 06:36 AM

so a strong raise would be interpreted as a made hand stronger than TPMK? In general, would a player holding something like 45[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] make a strong move at this pot given the preflop action?

fim

edit: the reason I'm asking all of this is that I would almost always raise the flop here with Ax[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], spade draw with some straight possibilities or a set. I'm coming from a prima 2.5/5 6max viewpoint here and looking at it that way, I'm curious as to why you didn't raise the flop given the preflop action.

fim

Popinjay · #5 02-19-2005, 12:45 PM

Didn't raise because I thought calling was a higher +EV move. If a spade comes on turn I don't mind dumping to a big bet or I can call drawing to a FH. If 7s comes I'm golden. If brick comes there is still a lot of money in from overcalls on flop.

Chris Dow · #6 02-19-2005, 12:46 PM

As fimbul is getting at I don't see what is wrong with raise flop here. It just looks like an aggressive play over what can be a bs bet like you figured. I like a line that is more aggressive on the flop here and then I like staying aggressive vs any callers who are "determined to keep me honest." I think an aggressive line can force the flush draw out while keep the ace in. At least by the turn since implied odds on the flush draw rely on having more money in the stack and if you take a more aggressive approach then with these stack sizes you can force them to pretty much put it all in with that flush draw on the turn or fold it.

gomberg · #7 02-19-2005, 09:03 PM

you have a big pot hand with good position on a coordinated board - so build the pot! but in a good raise on the flop, and assuming a brick on the turn, then pot-committ yourself and don't give implied odds to a flush draw.

as played, that's a good spot for a bluff raise if that person's capable, so then I'd check call a reasonable bet. Just comes down to a read, probably a good fold.

theBruiser500 · #8 02-19-2005, 09:35 PM

I'd raise this flop barring speific reads on the players. The rest looks straigthforward to me though the river is a little tricky. YOu are close to pot comitted but the less you bet the less you can be sure of folding to a raise by him. The line you took looks okay though, and calling the flop doesn't seem bad to me eiter

AZK · #9 02-19-2005, 09:57 PM

I have an idea but I don't know if any of you are going to like it. If you are willing to bet 150 and fold to a raise, why not check/call. If he does indeed have the flush, how much do you think he bets this river? More than 150? Probably not. Just a thought...