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First of all, sorry about the look of this hand. The convertor is down for me. Second, Im not just curious about folding this on the river. If I messed up anywhere in the hand feel free to discuss. Anyone able to lay this down?
Dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Utg +1 PRE-FLOP BUTTMUSTARD folds, Sakuraba bets $3, TheGregster. calls $3, pea10 calls $2.75, Dr.WeeD folds. FLOP [board cards KH,9S,AC ] pea10 checks, Sakuraba bets $4, TheGregster. bets $4.80 and is all-in, pea10 calls $4.80, Muckal0t calls $0.80. TURN [board cards KH,9S,AC,JC ] pea10 bets $20, Sakuraba calls $20. RIVER [board cards KH,9S,AC,JC,3H ] pea10 bets $30, Sakuraba ??? |
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u must pot this flop or close to it, then i probably am content to get my stack in on the turn. the way u played this is very confusing. u have to call this river w/ 2nd set but it should never have happened like this...
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Please pot the flop. If a gutter hit for the other guys Q10 so be it. If he has a set of Aces I'll pay him off every time. After betting full pot on flop I have no problem pushing this turn
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Well, the reason I only bet half the pot on the flop , was because i wanted it to look weak like a cont bet and get reraised. How does potting the flop help me more than just betting half?
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push the turn.
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Well, the reason I only bet half the pot on the flop , was because i wanted it to look weak like a cont bet and get reraised. How does potting the flop help me more than just betting half? [/ QUOTE ] You get more money in the pot with the best hand. Also you make gutshots pay a big price to chase. Take away their direct odds and implied odds. Also you get to push the turn, and will more likely be called because the pot is bigger. |
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Well, the reason I only bet half the pot on the flop , was because i wanted it to look weak like a cont bet and get reraised. How does potting the flop help me more than just betting half? [/ QUOTE ] Who do you think you're playing with that is going to see a 1/2 pot bet as weakness and raise? This certainly isn't a usual occurence in my experience. Full pot to put more money in the pot with a great hand and cut down opponents' drawing odds. |
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If you pot the flop you will still get a call from many strong aces here, why not pot it? You also don't want to give cards too cheaply, like they said.
Also, I think sometimes we overvalue sets. On a semi-connected board you don't really want chasers. Now if that 9 was a 6 instead, maybe you can play it a little slower, but there's a few hands that would call a raise peflop and still hurt you on this board if they get a perfect card. |
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On a semi-connected board you don't really want chasers. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this comment. I thought the whole goal was to get chasers at the wrong price. That said, betting the pot gives them a worse price and one that won't give correct implied odds, and still is likely to get called, so I agree with the majority here. |
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[ QUOTE ] On a semi-connected board you don't really want chasers. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this comment. I thought the whole goal was to get chasers at the wrong price. That said, betting the pot gives them a worse price and one that won't give correct implied odds, and still is likely to get called, so I agree with the majority here. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, you want chasers but want to give them the worst possible price. Potting a multiway flop often won't cut down on implied odds that much, however, unless the hand they are drawing to is very obvious or there has been a large percentage of stacks already put into the pot. Especially when there's another caller, someone who is drawing is now getting 1:3 on their call, and 1:4 if 2 callers in between. So in that respect you don't want 3 or 4 people calling on a very draw heavy board since it would be correct for one of them to with some sort of draw. If you had a more disguised hand you were drawing to you would still be getting great implied odds on a $10 PSB if you put the opponent on a hand he won't be able to get away from and you both have $80 behind after the call. |
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