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Old 09-24-2005, 05:51 PM
bones bones is offline
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Default $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

Hero (t1300)
MP2 (t1146)
CO (t990)
Button (t1324)
SB (t450)
BB (t3210)
UTG (t1580)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t325</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t325, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t800) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero pushes, Button folds.

Final Pot: t800

The pot is big already, so obviously I want to take it down. But I really don't think a K is folding here. So should I be extracting value? I don't really have to worry about draws, since I have the big draw too.
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Old 09-24-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

You only have value if the chips go in on the flop. Your hand is much weaker if they don't.

If a CR would work then fine, but I think pushing is okay here.

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Old 09-24-2005, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

Yeah I would try to extract a bit more value from this hand.

I would try to check raise all in and a free card can't really hurt you too much as your opponent is really only drawing to 2-3 outs here.

Open pushing the flop won't get a King to fold here.
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Old 09-24-2005, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

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Yeah I would try to extract a bit more value from this hand.

I would try to check raise all in and a free card can't really hurt you too much as your opponent is really only drawing to 2-3 outs here.

Open pushing the flop won't get a King to fold here.

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so? you have 14 outs.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

I'd make a small bet and call down if raised, make a larger bet if you improve depend how much he raises.

Making a large bet here is a waste because a King will call you. You dont want worse hands to fold.

You cant be worried about any worse hands drawing out on you because you have a huge draw.

Best thing that can happen is that he is on a smaller flush draw, you dont want him to fold it.

I'd probably bet around 100-200 here.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.


I think the push if fine. This flop is a little too dicey to expect him to hit it - post your PF raise. If a "K" calls off a forth of his stack PF...


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1 - we're going to the felt here obviously
2 - IF you're behind, he's likely calling a push (K?,AA,66)

Soooo, what other hand might we be able to extract a few chips from...that called your PF with his stack? mid-PP? Ace-gutshot? The only half-way decent draw hand is JT...this guy isn't calling PF with that.

We're basically looking at giving a free/cheap turn here for a 2-outer, or a 3-outer (cuz we ARE getting them in on the turn). I still don't like a c/r here. Again, I think he's checking behind. And we also want to charge him something...kind of the point. I could see you leading a very weak t200'ish..."damn, my Ace whiffed, i only have a grand back, fold please bitch!" lead. He just might come over top w/ his pair, he might just call anticipating a check from you on the turn, and a possible cheap showdown.

Meh.......it might be a little more fun to explore if either of you had another 300 chips or so. But I do like the thinking.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:30 AM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

I like it.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

bet 250 on the flop and check-raise all-in on the turn (if he just calls the flop)
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

Oh, I also like a bet of 400 here, wouldn't mind if he called that.

250 is so weak that it will seem like I want a call.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: $22 2 table Poooos..hmm, wait.

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250 is so weak that it will seem like I want a call.

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So? It's so small that he'll call anyway. Then when you check the turn, he thinks, "Oh sweet, so he didn't want a call, he was just making a weaks stab at it" and bets for you. So you check-raise all-in. In the event that your opponent doesn't have a pulse and checks behind, you just push the river.

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