Standard vs LPP, TAA/TPP blinds?

DavidC · #1 09-21-2005, 11:16 AM

The blinds are TAA sb, TPP bb, and the limper is a LPP.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.75 BB

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Limping 55 would be wrong, because it doesn't hold up as often MW and I'm not getting odds to chase a set.

Raising 55 isn't awesome if you look at it from a strictly SD equity perspective, but if you consider that he'll be calling me on the flop and turn with hands that lose to me, then it becomes +EV.

The problem that I'm faced with is that I'm not sure when he's paired, because he's not aggressive...

On the turn I'm torn between betting for the free-showdown, or just checking through...

Any opinions?

Redd · #2 09-21-2005, 11:23 AM

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The problem that I'm faced with is that I'm not sure when he's paired, because he's not aggressive...

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This is by far the most frequent problem I deal with in poker. And I hate it.

As for the hand, I think this is fine. Good iso-pfr, good continuation bet. I might check the turn behind pending a read on villain. If he's tight enough not to call down with utter crap and passive enough that a river bet means we're beat, then I check behind and check-fold the river. Since this usually isn't the case, I'm usually bet-folding the turn for a free showdown.

AdamL · #3 09-21-2005, 11:25 AM

MW = Multiway - thanks

MrWookie47 · #4 09-21-2005, 11:25 AM

I think this is great.

#5 09-21-2005, 02:53 PM

I'm probably slightly tighter than some people here, playing 18% of my hands, but I'd dump 66-22 here in a heartbeat - especially against a loose-passive. There's simply too many overcards to come and you won't know what paired him up. I'd raise 77+ to isolate. Seems arbitrary, but I stick with it.

Post-flop you played those fives fine.

deadmoney314 · #6 09-21-2005, 03:19 PM

Personally I don't like the preflop raise, sure it isolates the LPP, and you pick up extra odds if you are 50/50 heads up which is great. I dunno, maybe I just talked myself into liking the preflop raise. Definately bet the river in your case because you aren't encountering any resistance and it gives you two ways to win, having the best hand & making a better one fold.
Anyway, if you limp and get checked to on that flop a bet is more persuasive than if you isolate. It is too easy heads up for a LPP to call through the river with middle pair heads up against a preflop raise because you can put people on hands like overcards--but if you limp with 5's and bet it through unless you encounter serious resistance you will give your opponents a haze of uncertainty to what you have. In this particular case, limp preflop, SB calls BB checks, flop comes checked to you, you bet SB & BB fold now or on the turn unless they made two pair or better with their crap cards, LPP is now afraid of the board and won't chase unless he hit top pair. If he hit second pair there is a better chance he will think about laying it down because you are now representing top pair. You might get one BB less but I'd believe you win this more often because you occasionally get better hands to fold. Also you get a better read by the turn where people are at. If your table image is good at this point you might even get top pair bad kicker to exit on the turn.