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Old 01-15-2005, 10:24 PM
jason_t jason_t is offline
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Default Yet another meekly played AK hand

The whole table is loose/passive.

I'm diligantly trying to improve my play with AK when I miss the flop; I'm never sure what to do and just need to build more experience with it. I know I played this hand way way way too passively.

I reread the Overcards section of SSHE after this hand and came up with the following plan. Here, I think it would have been better to raise the flop (ideally, BB would 3-bet and UTG+2 would fold, I'd cap and Button would fold), bet the turn, and if I do manage to get it heads up against BB, bet the river too. Is this a good plan? What is the best way to handle various deviations? Thanks.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12.5 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (8.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, Hero folds, Button folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 10.25 BB between BB and UTG+2.</font>
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Old 01-15-2005, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

Since you said the entire table was passive, I would have either raised (for a free card) or folded the flop. Since I don't have any backdoor draws, I would lean towards folding.

You also mention capping the flop if the BB three bets? I don't think so, I would call the three bet and fold the turn unimproved.
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Old 01-15-2005, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

Cap Preflop.
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Old 01-15-2005, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

Folding on the flop? Why does the passivity of the table lead to this being correct?
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Old 01-15-2005, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

A passive player is leading out with a bet....which would indicate to me that a "I would rather call than bet" type player at least has a jack here.

No backdoor draws, maybe three outs (a K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] may be no good), against four players, not closing the action ....I could see folding.
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Old 01-15-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

Okay. This makes sense. What is the best move against more aggressive players?
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Old 01-16-2005, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

I'd bet that turn and check behind on the river
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Old 01-16-2005, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

folding the flop getting 15-1 would be bad
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Old 01-16-2005, 07:58 AM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

Calling this flop is one thing. Why would I cap it? What is the BB 3-betting me with that I have good odds to beat? If BB is simply a psycho, do I know he's a psycho?
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Old 01-16-2005, 08:08 AM
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Default Re: Yet another meekly played AK hand

UTG+2 showed down 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for the flush. BB called UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Now how would you play this hand against the same players in the future?
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