Is there a man alive who bets this river?

Redmen62 · #1 07-10-2004, 12:48 AM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (21 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.

River: (17.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB
Main Pot: 17.50 BB, between Button, Hero and MP2. > Pot won by Hero (17.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ah Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
MP2 shows Ad 8s (two pair, kings and jacks).
Button shows 4s 4h (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.50 BB. 

Anyone bet out on this river, or the turn for that matter? I very, very nearly folded on the turn. Can betting out possibly be +EV here? If there was a bet on the river, is it a clear call? Comments on all streets appreciated.

Nutz&Boltz · #2 07-10-2004, 01:31 AM

This is one of those hands were your read on the players is very important. With that flop and two players calling the raise, that would be the time to fold. Once you make it to the turn, the pot is too big to give up for I bet. I don't think betting into two players on this river has +EV.

bisonbison · #3 07-10-2004, 01:36 AM

Folding the flop for one extra bet is insane.

Piiop · #4 07-10-2004, 07:21 AM

Why didn't you 3-bet the flop?

Sent · #5 07-10-2004, 07:41 AM

Yeah you can't really fold that flop, people will bet with any pocket pair, flush draw, or a 5. The chance that they have a King has been cut in half just by the fact that there are 2 out there, same for the Jack and if anyone had one they probably folded.

Consider 3-betting the flop on a board like this [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Sent

Chiefs Fan · #6 07-10-2004, 10:18 AM

Would you 3 bet this flop? I think it looked scary because he didn't/couldn't show enough aggression due to position.

sfer · #7 07-10-2004, 03:51 PM

I 3-bet the flop every single time, so I might bet the river depending on how the hand plays out.