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Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
Is there something in this hand that tells you experienced players to slow down? Stupid me thought cap, cap, cap was the right way to play a boat on 5th street with trips showing, but...
Tournament - 7 Card Stud High - Level III (50/100), Ante 10, Bring-In 15 (converter) Seat 1: 1,638 Seat 2: 2,190 Seat 3: 898 Seat 4: 4,070 Seat 5: 842 Seat 6: 774 Hero: 2,288 3rd Street - (1.40 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises Seat 3: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___calls 4th Street - (13.70 SB) Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 6: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls 5th Street - (14.85 BB) Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets 6th Street - (16.85 BB) Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises___raises Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls River - (24.85 BB) Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___raises___raises Hero: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls Total pot: (32.85 BB) Results: Total pot 3285 Seat 2: [Ks 7s 7h Kh 8d Kc Qd] (a full house, Kings full of Sevens) Hero: [9h 9d Js Jh Jd Th 5c] (a full house, Jacks full of Nines) |
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
You made jacks full, a very very good hand. The problem was, the three Js are open. When you get raised you have to look at the other board. Can Js full be beaten? If he has no pair showing, or straight flush possible, then keep raising. Here it was possible he had Ks full or quads. Now think about your board, showing JJJ. What does he think you have? He probably thinks you have Js full, and his raise tell you you are probably beat. It is possible he is going crazy with three Ks, or has a smaller full house, so calling is OK, but dont be surprised if you lose. Raising over and over, unless you are against a total nut, was the wrong play.
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
Well, his play isn't exactly standard here either... these tournaments can be pretty crazy loose.
However, he is raising against your paired J and then raising when he catches another K. That makes it very clear that he must have jacks full beat on 6th, either with K's full or quad K's. Your bet out is obvious with the 3 J's; his raise indicates that he can beat trip J's; your re-raise says "I have the boat"; his cap says "I've got the boat beat." This makes check/calling the river obvious. But given that he capped on 4th, I would probably bet/call 6th and check/call 7th. It sucks doing that with a boat, but it happens. Unless you know he is a total maniac, you have to credit him for something more than just a pair on 4th. |
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
Check-call the river here, he's made it pretty clear that he has kings full, unless he's a total maniac. He is, however, a total donkey for calling on 5th -- he's drawing to 2 frickin' outs. Keep playing with this guy.
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
Did you have a read on this guy? If not, you should definitely fold on 3rd. Semi-dead 9s facing an early position completion… uh oh.
Even if knew he was this loose-aggressive, you probably should have folded, especially since this is a tourney and because the queen has already called. Wait for a better spot. |
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
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Did you have a read on this guy? If not, you should definitely fold on 3rd. Semi-dead 9s facing an early position completion… uh oh. Even if knew he was this loose-aggressive, you probably should have folded, especially since this is a tourney and because the queen has already called. Wait for a better spot. [/ QUOTE ] I had no read on him... I've never played with him before and had just been moved to that table about three hands before. Can anyone recommend a good book on low-limit and/or tourney stud? I'm getting the feeling I need to take a few weeks to improve my game. |
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
There aren't any books specifically on tournament stud, and I find the low-limit books on the market wanting. I recommend 7CS4AP and Sklansky's tournament book.
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Re: Stud n00b seeks help with boat on 5th
Third street is a fold. It doesn't seem very likely that the other guy is raising with a pair of Sevens, especially with all of those unduplicated over-cards out there. He's probably got a big pair in the hole, almost certainly bigger than Nines. One of your Nines is gone, which is a significant drawback. Save your chips.
Jamming fourth is OK, but you should be a little concerned about the other guy doing the raising. Your Jacks are out there for the world to see, but he still likes his hand. The only hands that actually make sense is are two pair and trips, so you should be behind. Yes, bet your full house on fifth, but when the other guy raises, it looks really bad. What did you think he was raising with? I'd call this down, but I wouldn't like it. |
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