KJs in SB

Chairman Wood · #1 02-03-2005, 07:48 AM

MP1is 17/10 tag MP3 is uber fish and I only have 20 hands with button but he is 20/0. BB behind me is a tag.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Button calls, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, MP3 calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB
Thoughts on all streets?

chief444 · #2 02-03-2005, 09:18 AM

I would check/call the turn. But it's somewhat close and you probably did win more bets on the river because of your turn play.

sean c · #3 02-03-2005, 09:34 AM

I know its in the book so sorry for asking but how many outs for the backdoor flush draw on the flop?

Chairman Wood · #4 02-03-2005, 09:38 AM

1.5 for bd flush.

sean c · #5 02-03-2005, 09:58 AM

Okay so you have 4.5 clean outs on flop 3 queens 1.5 for backdoor flush (9.4 to 1 and pots laying you 12 to 1) now on the turn you have 10 clean outs seven diamonds and the same three queens (3.6 to 1) the pots laying you 10.5 to one to call and by raising you reduced that to (5.5 to 1) am I way off base here and if not does this change in pot odds make the turn raise a bad play or a good play? Input please

PokerBob · #6 02-03-2005, 10:37 AM

Fold preflop.

Why are you check raising this turn? You are undoubtedly behind. I don't get this move at all. IF you want to blow MP3 and button out of the pot, lead the turn and hope MP1 raises.

River looks good.

davelin · #7 02-03-2005, 10:49 AM

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Why are you check raising this turn? You are undoubtedly behind. I don't get this move at all. IF you want to blow MP3 and button out of the pot, lead the turn and hope MP1 raises.

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Hero probably puts his equity high enough for this to be a value raise.

Chairman Wood · #8 02-03-2005, 10:50 AM

I'm c/r for value. Make a bigger pot. I have enough outs where I can raise for value with 3 other people in the pot. I would anticipate calls from everyone. I didn't anticipate a 3 bet but it isn't terrible especially being that Button cold called.

Chairman Wood · #9 02-03-2005, 10:53 AM

Its a value raise. I think that my equity in the pot is high enough that I am winning money here by raising with 3 other callers.

Chairman Wood · #10 02-03-2005, 10:57 AM

About folding preflop, do you really think I should. I have good position if I flop a flush draw that I could pump and we have all those cold callers. I know KJs is a easily dominated hand I just thought it was worth it here.