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Old 11-08-2005, 01:32 PM
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Default ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

***** Hand History for Game 3002497925 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:17239697 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, November 08, 12:13:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 67177 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 10: Lacrecio ( $1690 )
Seat 5: Tankdog316 ( $790 )
Seat 8: Headles ( $755 )
Seat 3: Bazuulbazuul ( $800 )
Seat 7: Deanswild ( $755 )
Seat 4: Mr_Hobbs ( $800 )
Seat 1: dealem333 ( $770 )
Seat 2: NO3WASNO1 ( $1640 )
Trny:17239697 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bazuulbazuul [ Js Kd ]
dealem333 folds.
NO3WASNO1 calls [15].
Bazuulbazuul calls [15].
Mr_Hobbs calls [15].
Tankdog316 folds.
Deanswild calls [15].
Headles calls [5].
Lacrecio checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 7c, Jc ]
Headles checks.
Lacrecio checks.
NO3WASNO1 checks.
Bazuulbazuul bets [65].
Mr_Hobbs calls [65].
Deanswild raises [175].
Headles folds.
Lacrecio folds.
NO3WASNO1 calls [175].
Bazuulbazuul is all-In [720]
Mr_Hobbs folds.
Deanswild folds.
NO3WASNO1 calls [610].

Results in white below:
<font color="white">
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
NO3WASNO1 shows [ 2c, 4c ] high card king.
Bazuulbazuul shows [ Js, Kd ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
Bazuulbazuul wins 1900 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and jacks. </font>

Third hand, no reads. Am I correct to push here?
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:35 PM
Hornacek Hornacek is offline
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Default Re: ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

Yes. nh.

You want draws to call you (or better yet, fold). Only hands you're dominated by are sets, but there's nothing you can do about that.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

Thanks Horneacek. Is there ever time that I should worry about sets? Or are they such long odds that I'll lose more money over time trying to lay down to them?
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:48 PM
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I fold KJo preflop in this spot. You played it perfect on the flop. Difficult to say in general, but don't try to put somebody on a set and lay this down. More often than not they have top pair, two smaller pair og a draw.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

surely you're not serious? how could anyone lay top two pair down in a $22 with no straight or flush out?
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

I would fold preflop.

Flop play is perfect.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:02 PM
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No I wasn't going to lay this hand down. My question is, when do you worry about sets on the flop? Or do you never worry about them and just eat it when they come.

Do you fold top-pair top-kicker to a reraiser thinking they may have two pair or a set?
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

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I would fold preflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a very important concept I would like to emphasize to the lower limit SNG players. It seems like these trouble hands often are on the losing ends of eventual all-ins on these low limit tables, and should be avoided in the first 3-4 rounds completely.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: ($22) KJo flopped top two pair -- is my push correct?

Yeah this thread is simple.

Issue #1: Calling UTG with KJo bad move but you made it soo..

Issue #2: Based on the action your push is excellent.

Remember the gist of the fundamental theorem of poker is that your job is to bet the amount of money that makes it mathematically incorrect for them to call. Over time this means you make the most money. So charging these guys to chase their flushes by pushing all in was perfect.

Straight Flushes,

SAM
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:22 PM
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Very very correct.
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