Please help me with the math

GotChips · #1 08-09-2005, 01:25 AM

I am not sure if I am getting the correct odds to call this..I am fairly new at NL and poker in general. I figure I have 10 outs so 3.6 to 1.?.how bad was this call? and how do you calculate the math? Thanks..

hero: posts small blind 25
e: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Kd Ac]
tic: folds
444: folds
ips: folds
72: folds
hero: calls 25
e: raises 150 to 200
hero: raises 550 to 750
e: calls 550
*** FLOP *** [Qs 7d Jh]
hero: checks
emx3: checks
*** TURN *** [Qs 7d Jh] [2d]
hero: checks
e: bets 970 and is all-in
hero: calls 970
*** RIVER *** [Qs 7d Jh 2d] [As]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hero: shows [Kd Ac] (a pair of Aces)
e: shows [6c 6s] (a pair of Sixes)

GotChips · #2 08-09-2005, 01:29 AM

Sorry..should have posted this under 1-table tournament...how can I move it?

xcrack999 · #3 08-09-2005, 12:08 PM

Pot = 1500 + his all-in bet of 970 = 2470
You're calling 970 to win 2470 in the pot so you're getting 2470:970 odds, or 2.55:1. So bad call.

#4 08-09-2005, 01:05 PM

If you assumed that you had ten outs, then in a ring you would have been about 3.6 to 1 to draw an ace, king or ten. you called 970 to win 2470, which is 2.546:1. So the math does not justify a call. Moreover, in a ring, faced with this all in, I think it would be a terrible mistake to assume in this spot that you have ten outs. You do see silly things in a ring like someone pushing all in here with 66, but much more often you are facing QJ or a set of jacks or queens and you really only have 4 outs here, making this a very, very clear fold.

In a tournament, well, who knows? I hardly play them. But you managed to get ~40% of your chips in preflop, and, if your stack was about average, then you would have been at a severe disadvantage in the remainder of the tournament, so I don't hate the call of the all in nearly as much as I would in a ring. But I still hate it.