checking tp/tk, yet again

[DanZ]

Online 20-40 10 handed. There is a late blind and 4 limpers to me. I raise AdQd on the button. Blinds plays, all call.

One of the later limpers seems borderline insane, raising several players with awful off suit aces on other hands and playing way too loose.

Flop is AsKc8h. Checked to me and I check. Turn is 6c. Checked to crazy player who bets, the late blind raises, and I 3 bet. Crazy folds, late blind calls.

River is a 9. Check , check.

Comments appreciated.

Dan Z.

[astroglide]

fancy play syndrome.

[Depraved]

You forgot to value bet the river. Better hands won't checkraise you since you've represented a monster effectively. If you feel you're beat anyway before the 9 you should have folded on the turn.

[ALL1N]

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If you feel you're beat anyway before the 9 you should have folded on the turn.

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That is far from correct. If he felt that he was beat lets say 65% of the time on the turn he was correct in playing the hand. And the correct play was to reraise in that spot.

On the river he may still be winning only 35%, and a value bet achieves nothing.

[ZeeJustin]

I don't understand why you would check the flop. You have a good hand, but a hand that can easily be outdrawn. The board is likely to have made a second best hand already for at least one other player, most likely 2.

[vkotlyar]

I like it...all of it. This is the only way to get 10J and JQ to fold. If you bet the flop, they will call the flop and will not be terribly wrong in calling the turn as well. This way, you only give them one shot to beat you and its unlikely that the turn will give someone a better hand that would of folded on the flop. The only hand that can hurt you is a set that would have folded on the flop, and taht is prety rare. Great play
vitaly

[SoBeDude]

Hi Dan,

Can you explain your thinking process in this hand?

-Scott

[cepstrum]

agreed. instead of making this fancy play, he should have moved all-in on the flop.

good luck

cepstrum

[astroglide]

we should modify our play to account for people making bad calls with 4-outers?

[nykenny]

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fancy play syndrome.

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FPS aka "over-tricky with one pair in a multiway pot so that i can get all kinds of action on the turn without any reads since i didn't get any information on the flop and i will sadly pay off any 5 outter that got lucky on the turn all the way through river for the same reason i just said" SYMDROME.

the way Rigoletto (pardon me for borrowing your name) would play:

bet the flop and get check raised by the insane limper. poster 3 bet and hero 4 bet! everyone folds to poster. heads up.

Turn check bet call
River check bet call

result: winning 50BB more on this hand while increasing winning chances to 99% from 8% on the flop... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Kenny