I love variance.

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Full ring game. Blinds are loose. The whole damn table is fishy. 5 players limp to me. I'm on the button holding

A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I raise.

Anybody else do the same thing?

[benkath1]

yes, but I'm starting to doubt the value of it.

[Jaran]

Depends...Have I been raising pretty tight before this and showing down the goods? If so, then yeah. If I've been getting out of line a bit, and have been caught at it, then prolly not (but if I've been getting out of line, then I might just raise without thinking)

-Jaran

Lots.

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Depends...Have I been raising pretty tight before this and showing down the goods? If so, then yeah. If I've been getting out of line a bit, and have been caught at it, then prolly not (but if I've been getting out of line, then I might just raise without thinking)

-Jaran

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Then you're basing your decision on perceived table image rather than possible +EV play? My question is, is this play profitable in the long term against this type of table?

[Jaran]

I think it's just slightly +EV, and thus if my image is such that I can't steal the occasional pot when I miss, then I'm less apt to make the play.

-Jaran

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I think it's just slightly +EV, and thus if my image is such that I can't steal the occasional pot when I miss, then I'm less apt to make the play.

-Jaran

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IMO. The money comes from the fish hanging in too long on the flops that favour your hand greatly.
It's the same with raising small pairs in the same position.

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I think it's just slightly +EV, and thus if my image is such that I can't steal the occasional pot when I miss, then I'm less apt to make the play.

-Jaran

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IMO. The money comes from the fish hanging in too long on the flops that favour your hand greatly.
It's the same with raising small pairs in the same position.

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Yeah, I just can't ever see us stealing a pot when it's six or seven players to the flop.

[Jaran]

Agree with the pp's, as postflop play at this level w/pp's is usually pretty simple. With a hand like A3s, there's a good chance of getting into a sticky situation against people who love to limp any A. Are you checking through a flop like A94 rainbow when it's checked to you? What's your play if you bet and are called (I know that there are too many variables to truly give a plan here)? I don't hate the raise in the least bit. For me, I would just like a little bit extra here.

-Jaran

Grunch.

No. I call, trying to draw to the nut flush. (Or I limp/3-bet [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]). I don't put much value in the Ace because every fish who holds one will call and probably have you outkicked.