Possible leak?

baronzeus · #1 07-31-2005, 06:34 AM

Does anyone check the turn with the intention of checkraising? Just curious. Trying to extract max value with my monsters.

What if the board wasn't 3flushed?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

River: (6.66 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot:

8.66 BB

marand · #2 07-31-2005, 06:39 AM

I would play it the same, I don't like going for a turn ch/r in this situation.

Getting it checked through really sucks since any heart has 9 outs against you. Also getting 3-bet would suck, can you trust him to have the flush so you can safely fold?

baronzeus · #3 07-31-2005, 06:40 AM

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I would play it the same, I don't like going for a turn ch/r in this situation.

Getting it checked through really sucks since any heart has 9 outs against you. Also getting 3-bet would suck, can you trust him to have the flush so you can safely fold?

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What would be a good board to try for a turn check/raise?

ALL1N · #4 07-31-2005, 06:44 AM

Hell no. Betting here is critical, since so many hands have lots of outs against you, so unless you've got a rock-solid read you gotta bet it. Your hand is not a "monster" on this board.

If it wasn't 3-flushed it would be a little different, and not too bad a play, but betting will never be a "leak".

marand · #5 07-31-2005, 06:51 AM

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I would play it the same, I don't like going for a turn ch/r in this situation.

Getting it checked through really sucks since any heart has 9 outs against you. Also getting 3-bet would suck, can you trust him to have the flush so you can safely fold?

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What would be a good board to try for a turn check/raise?

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K842 rainbow would be a good board. You want an opponent who would bet any pair and then call you down. But even with a good board and aggressive opponent, betting is not a leak.

timprov · #6 07-31-2005, 06:55 AM

It would be a leak if you played this any other way.

baronzeus · #7 07-31-2005, 06:57 AM

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It would be a leak if you played this any other way.

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I am relieved to hear this. I'm gonna go back to reading, because right now, I suck.

goofball · #8 07-31-2005, 09:24 AM

How often is the turn going to get checked around, and the 4th heart will rriver and you will vomit? Also, button has a hard time betting here wihtout the flush. Also, if you c/r button is laying down a lot of hands he wouldn't otherwise lay down. Basically, a checkraise strikes me as FPS in it's purest form.

Guy McSucker · #9 07-31-2005, 02:28 PM

How 'bout if our hero was holding the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

Guy.

SomethingClever · #10 07-31-2005, 02:33 PM

This is a bad turn to checkraise because of the third heart. Just bet here.

Checkraising the turn with a good hand should be done sparingly, against a specific type of opponent (thinking LAGs).