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Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
While playing in a 5/10NL game the following hand occured.
PLAYER 1: JdQd PLAYER 2: 10c10h FLOP: 9d10d3c Now counting the outs in this situation are easy but knowing what the outs are for is where some people get confused. Player 1 has 15 cards that will improve his hand, but Player 2 has 7 outs that will improve his hand. I get confused because Player 1 has 15 outs twice to IMRPOVE his hand. This percentage, 60%, is the percent that he will improve his hand; not the percentage that he will win the hand b/c he can still improve but not win. I want to know how to figure the WINNING percentages of this hand not the IMPROVING percentages. Maybe I am over thinking this, but someone PLEASE!!!! explain this to me. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qd Jd 417 42.12 573 57.88 0 0.00 0.421 Tc Th 573 57.88 417 42.12 0 0.00 0.579 |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1315734
pokenum -h jd qd - tc th -- 9d td 3c Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 3c Td 9d cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Qd Jd 417 42.12 573 57.88 0 0.00 0.421 Tc Th 573 57.88 417 42.12 0 0.00 0.579 |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
Thanks for these numbers, but I have ran the same simulation. I was wondering how to figure this in my head? I am sure the equation is comlicated, but I would still like to know how to do it.
As you can see the 10 10 is favored to win 58% of the time, but using conventional methods to calculate percentages you get the OEFD is a 60% favorite. Is there a way to get the correct odds of winning when looking at the odds of improvement of BOTH hands?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for these numbers, but I have ran the same simulation. I was wondering how to figure this in my head? I am sure the equation is comlicated, but I would still like to know how to do it. As you can see the 10 10 is favored to win 58% of the time, but using conventional methods to calculate percentages you get the OEFD is a 60% favorite. Is there a way to get the correct odds of winning when looking at the odds of improvement of BOTH hands?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] First off, the 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is not an out. In fact, if the board pairs at all, JQ cannot win. You should be able to calculate it from there. |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
Sorry bout the 3d....you are correct there, BUT
JdQd can still win with a Str8 Flush. (dont think you noticed that) |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
just cut the non-straight flush outs by about 1/4 since the times you spike on the turn he'll fill up 10/46 or 7/47 on the turn
so you have 14 outs, 2 to a straight flush, so cut the other 12 by 1/4, leaving 9+2 = 11 |
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Re: Who is supposed to win this hand...... AND HOW DID U FIGURE IT!!!
here's how you do it:
if you're playing 5/10 NL, you should know oesfd is ~41% vs set. |
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