1/2 semi-deep flopped 4th nuts

Action was at B&M

Reads: UTG is loose-agressive preflop, loose-passive postflop. Same for MP2. Both have made raises before the flop often and have either checked/folded or folded when bet to. Both lack flop play or any math/hand range assigning other than their own from what i can tell.

Hero: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (400)

action:
UTG raises to 10.(500)
MP1 calls 10.
MP2 calls 10. (650)
CO folds.
Button folds.
Hero calls 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in sb.(400)
BB calls.

Flop:
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot:50)

hero checks.
BB checks.
UTG leads 30.
MP1 folds.
MP2 thinks for a minute, then raises the 30 to 145.
hero tanks.

Based on players i can assume that UTG is not betting:
1. without the A
2. without added outs.

given his play on prior hands i feel its something along the lines of the A with a K or Q of hearts.

As for MP2:
ive been sitting with him at least 3 hours and he hasnt made a raise that big on a guy postflop once. this is why im in the tank.

i dont want to flat call and give donk on my left any more odds than needed just to have a heart fall on fourth and beit my fault i didnt protect a flush here costing me 145$.

i can only think that Mp2 has me beat or hes overplaying a set. his hand range really doesnt include Kx or Qx suited so i cant put him on anythere where i would have outs to my straight flush. granted if im beat im not getting odds to call 1 out as it is.

so i talk to him. ask him the bet size, if he has a set of 8s. no response at first.
i tell him its a pretty big bet from him, he must be pretty confident about his hand. he smiled and mumbled something along the lines of agreement.

MP1 calls time and i tell him im going to use all of it, thanks for calling. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

after the inquisition MP2 now only shines confidence from ear to ear. oh boy.


results to follow.

why talk for? just call already....

you really suggest flat calling against either of these players?

suppose i do because noone has it and now a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] falls on 4th, then i just wasted 145 dollars.

the options in my head are move in or fold. not call. flat calling bloats the pot and i cant protect anything that might have a set or pair/draw with these players. 255 from me on the turn if original raiser flat calls gives first action 255 to call 740. 3-1 assuming the turn doesnt make me want to muck my hand.

edit: K10 Q10 and KQ of [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are all options, just not K6 etc. all of which i have no outs to (obv)