My first conscious use of the stop and go.

jedi · #1 06-02-2004, 12:41 AM

I had 13x the BB on this hand. Villian was 2nd largest chip stack. I tried the stop-n-go here, but given the size of his pre-flop raise, I might have been better off pushing all in here, especially with the SB straggler. Or maybe I should have just folded and not gotten involved. Comments?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t8010)
CO (Villian) (t5835)
Button (t1012)
SB (t3245)
Jedi (t1300)
UTG (t1930)
UTG+1 (t2085)
MP1 (t3583)

Preflop: Jedi is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO (Villian) raises to t400, Button folds, SB calls t350, Jedi calls t300.

Flop: (t1200) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players) 
SB checks, Jedi bets t900 (All-In), Villian calls t900, SB folds.

Turn: (t3000) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in) 

River: (t3000) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in) 

Final Pot: t3000
Main Pot: t3000 (t3000), between Villian and Jedi. > Pot won by Villian (t3000).

Results in white below: 
Jedi shows 7s 7c (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Villian shows Ad Kd (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: Villian wins t3000.

eastbay · #2 06-02-2004, 01:29 AM

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I had 13x the BB on this hand. Villian was 2nd largest chip stack. I tried the stop-n-go here, but given the size of his pre-flop raise, I might have been better off pushing all in here.

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Why? You think there's a chance in hell he would have folded preflop? No way.

If he calls your all-in, it's the same as racing preflop. Right?

eastbay

RobGW · #3 06-02-2004, 01:34 AM

Good idea, bad timing. The stop and go in this situation is not a bad idea, but once the flop comes down 9, t, J, i would take a second to rethink things. That flop would be kind to a lot of pre flop raises which would cut down your odds of winning without a showdown not to mention it has 3 overcards to your pair. Sometimes the best laid plans have to be scrapped.

eastbay · #4 06-02-2004, 01:41 AM

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Good idea, bad timing. The stop and go in this situation is not a bad idea, but once the flop comes down 9, t, J, i would take a second to rethink things.

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Then it's not a stop-n-go. And don't forget that flops which are scary to you are likely to be just as scary to your opponent.

eastbay

Jason Strasser · #5 06-02-2004, 01:45 AM

Great job. I like the play. Its not a stop and go if you examine the flop. There is no way you can call and check/fold. He made a loose call, and got lucky. Nice work.

jedi · #6 06-02-2004, 03:29 AM

So does anyone fold in this spot? I'm not pot committed, I still have 13xBB. I can live to fight another day, though there IS another SnG right around the corner.

My feeling at the time was that I was 2nd short stack. I needed to make a move, and I hadn't ever tried this before. Doesn't take any skill to try the stop-n-go, but I could be wrong and maybe I should have just folded.

Stoneii · #7 06-02-2004, 03:32 AM

He made a stack call and got lucky imo.

stoneii

ZeeJustin · #8 06-02-2004, 03:56 AM

Betting into a preflop raisor does not count as a stop N go.

TheGrifter · #9 06-02-2004, 08:22 AM

Zee - re-read the post.

TheGrifter · #10 06-02-2004, 08:30 AM

I disagree that it is not a stop'n'go if you examine the flop.

Whenever I use the stop and go it is almost always conditional, if I have big cards (but not ace) I will only push if an ace doesn't flop. If I have a pair I only push if less than 3 overcards flop (generally).

It's still a stop'n'go, just with an abort button. Of course sometimes I will also push on any flop, but if my stack is so short that that becomes necessary then I probably don't have the chips to get anyone off a hand anyway and will just throw them in preflop.