QQ..When to let the ladies go

[brian0729]

Typical Party 1/2, loose table with loose cold calls. 4 to 5 seeing most flops.

Party Poker 1/2 (10 handed)
Hero has Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and is UTG

Hero raises, EP2 calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls

Flop(8 SB): 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero bets, EP2 folds, Button folds, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls

Turn(7 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

BB bets, Hero calls

River(9 BB): T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets, Hero calls

When do I give this up. I felt the flop was ok. Should I have raised the turn and layed down to a three bet? I feel fishy just re reading it. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Comments appreciated.

[brian0729]

Cmon guys...I thought the regulars were still paying visits to the ML forum?

[Mike Gallo]

Brian,

I think you played the hand fine.

The check raise on the flop could have meant pocket 9's or 10's. Even pocket 8's.

I would have gone to call mode also.

Did your opponent have A5 or 45?

[brian0729]

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Did your opponent have A5 or 45?

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Nice read. Villian had 45s

[Mike Gallo]

Nice read. Villian had 45s

It happens. I do not think you played the hand "wrong".

In the heat of battle it often becomes difficult to believe that someone has the hand they represent. Especially calling a raise with 45 suited.

Don't worry, over the long haul you will win against this player more often than you lose.

[scotnt73]

i would not have 3 bet the flop. the rest i would have played the same as you did.

[Mike Gallo]

i would not have 3 bet the flop.

Why not?

[Festus22]

I think going into call down mode after a flop check-raise is a bit weak. The BB could just as easily have a decent pocket pair and make this play.

[brian0729]

Hey scot,

I 3 bet for multiple reasons. 1) The BB may just be testing me to see how much I like my hand, when I 3 bet there is a small chance he may fold. 2) When I 3 bet a lot of players would cap this and lead the turn, at that point I can fold. 3) When he calls my 3 bet and C/R me again on the turn I can lay it down then. 4) As Festus said I think calling down to a flp CR is a little weak.

[Rico Suave]

Hey Festus:

I think I am with Scot on this one. If there were additional players behind Brian, then I think a 3-bet here is mandatory, but with it heads up, I think going into call down mode is ok.

Brian is either way behind or way ahead, but I think that he is intends to see a showdown with this hand. Is he really going to get a lot of action from a worse hand? Does Brian want to make a 88 or TT fold to a turn bet after being 3-bet on the flop? Is Brian going to lay down his hand if the BB plays back at him?

IMHO, I think that calling him down is not a weak play here. I am all for aggression, but I am not sure what it is going to get him in this situation.

--Rico