Top two on 4 flush/straight board.

Jeff W · #1 10-20-2005, 02:12 AM

Villain is 24/20/2.4 over 400

Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

TStoneMBD · #2 10-20-2005, 02:15 AM

i dont think there is any other way to play the flop and the turn. river is the hardest street, but i also call against a player who as aggressive as he is.

ALL1N · #3 10-20-2005, 02:17 AM

Betting the turn solves a lot of problems.

TStoneMBD · #4 10-20-2005, 02:20 AM

with a 4 outter you prefer betting the turn, calling a raise and folding the river unimproved? dont you think a player as aggressive as villain will be bluffing that line more often then value you get on a bet?

ALL1N · #5 10-20-2005, 02:31 AM

I fold to the turn raise. I think it's extremely rare the other dude will have any less than 2 pair here. If he has 2 pair (the only hand we're afraid of him "bluffing"), he'll be so focused on hitting his 4 outer that he won't raise in fear of a 3-bet. IMO.

edit- I've just thought about this more. I don't like my line anymore. We have to call a raise because of split outs. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Jeff W · #6 10-20-2005, 02:37 AM

What about check-call, then check-fold? Is this opponent really betting w/ two pair on the river?

ALL1N · #7 10-20-2005, 02:42 AM

Yeah I reckon he would bet KQ again fairly often. So, 2 bets. And I think the 2 bets are better spent bet/calling the turn and folding UI as TStone said.

Schizo · #8 10-20-2005, 03:41 AM

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What about check-call, then check-fold? Is this opponent really betting w/ two pair on the river?

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I specifically remember a post on 2+2 where people bet this river w/ 2 pair "to push people off of a 1 card baby frush". I know they were in position heads up because they weren't using Clarkmeisters theorem as their justification. If the archive search engine didn't suck so badly I would pull up the link.

If their play was correct or not isn't an issue. I'm just saying I saw people post it and I remember being shocked. I'm pretty sure it was a 15/30 full game.

bobbyi · #9 10-20-2005, 03:45 AM

I think this is good. The river here is definitely a tough spot.

Victor · #10 10-20-2005, 03:51 AM

looks like a river fold i wish i could make.