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Old 01-12-2005, 09:25 AM
shoeman shoeman is offline
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Default Bubble decision

Party Poker $10+1 No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t1668)
Hero (t1727)
SB (t1268)
BB (t3337)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t800</font>, Hero ?

I've been lurking here for about 6 months but just created an account. I seem to be getting alot of 3rd place finishes lately so I think my bubble play needs help. UTG hasn't played much lately. What is my move here?
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: Bubble decision

What level/blinds?
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:26 AM
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Default Re: Bubble decision

I think it's a call. UTG could be pushing any pair or any A7-K. U only have about 4x the BB. With a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] with 4x the BB, I think you almost have call.
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:27 AM
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Default Re: Bubble decision

blinds = 400 and at PP, so level 7.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: Bubble decision

I don't think you can call with half your stack here. It's either all in or fold based on your read of UTG. I'd most likely shove.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: Bubble decision

Auto all in, and it isnt even close.

Hell, I go auto all in with AQ even if there is a raise in front of me once the blinds hit 100/200.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:26 AM
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Auto all in, and it isnt even close.

Hell, I go auto all in with AQ even if there is a raise in front of me once the blinds hit 100/200.

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I think in most cases I agree. If I was short stacked or big stack compared to raiser I would have pushed. Anything but 4 handed I would have pushed. But with 3 medium stacks and one big stack (big stack yet to act), I thought it would be better to fold and allow others to react to the raise. I still had another hand until the blinds hit me again and I'd rather be first in the pot in this situation. Does this thinking make sense or am I was off base here?

Obviously, I VERY reluctantly folded and eventually ended up short stacked in 3rd.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:28 AM
rachelwxm rachelwxm is offline
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Auto all in, and it isnt even close.

Hell, I go auto all in with AQ even if there is a raise in front of me once the blinds hit 100/200.

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I think in most cases I agree. If I was short stacked or big stack compared to raiser I would have pushed. Anything but 4 handed I would have pushed. But with 3 medium stacks and one big stack (big stack yet to act), I thought it would be better to fold and allow others to react to the raise. I still had another hand until the blinds hit me again and I'd rather be first in the pot in this situation. Does this thinking make sense or am I was off base here?

Obviously, I VERY reluctantly folded and eventually ended up short stacked in 3rd.

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You are playing for 3rd? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:40 AM
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Auto all in, and it isnt even close.

Hell, I go auto all in with AQ even if there is a raise in front of me once the blinds hit 100/200.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think in most cases I agree. If I was short stacked or big stack compared to raiser I would have pushed. Anything but 4 handed I would have pushed. But with 3 medium stacks and one big stack (big stack yet to act), I thought it would be better to fold and allow others to react to the raise. I still had another hand until the blinds hit me again and I'd rather be first in the pot in this situation. Does this thinking make sense or am I was off base here?

Obviously, I VERY reluctantly folded and eventually ended up short stacked in 3rd.

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And thats why you always get 3rd place. You are too passive on the bubble. You gotta play for first, because thats where the money is. You most likely folded the best hand, and allowed yourself to be blinded off to 3rd place mediocrity yet again.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: Bubble decision

Looks like you have to push here. UTG is pot commited and will call, but, on average, you'll be a favorite. You'll be compensated for the times he shows you AA, KK, QQ and AK by the times he will show you a weaker A, or KQ, or the like. Blinds are too high to fold AQs 4 handed here, and if you win this pot you'll be in good shape to make a run at first.
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