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Old 11-28-2005, 04:18 PM
Bez Bez is offline
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Default How did this pot get so big?

I ended up risking far more of my stack than I should have in this pot.

Is the pre-flop raise terrible? I want to try and liven the table up a little but I'm way out of position with KQo.

Is the pre-flop call poor with one caller left to act?

How about the flop bet into an empty side pot? I was looking for him to fold, presuming myself likely to be ahead of the all-in short stack.

With his call, I just check the rag on the turn and am surprised by his small bet, though if he flopped the straight he may be betting $6 now to get the rest in on the river. I just decided to put him all in anyway.

Flame away. I only post hands I think I played poorly. After the flop bet and villian's call I thought the pot was just too big to fold. I felt sick going to showdown.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 ($29.80)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 ($33.30)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP2 ($7.30)</font>
CO ($22.60)
Button ($8.50)
SB ($12.25)
BB ($49.70)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($63.05)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $2.50, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $7.3</font> (all-in), <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $4.80, MP1 calls $4.80.

Flop: ($22.65) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, MP1 calls $10.

Turn: ($42.65) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, MP1 calls $10 (All-In).

River: ($74.65) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $74.65
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:20 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

PF: think, I don't play KQo unless its suited.

No sense in not getting MP1 AI since he's short. I would have bet 2/3 on the flop.

A better player will get you off of your flop bet.
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

Either fold preflop or push the flop
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:22 PM
AcesUp2121 AcesUp2121 is offline
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

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Flop: ($22.65) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, MP1 calls $10.



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You need to bet more here. With his stack though, if he likes his hand it's getting all in regardless.

As for KQo up front, I usually limp or fold it.
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

I am not too fond of raising this in EP when 8 handed. I am also not sure what you are looking to accomplish with the turn c/r, but that does not really matter much considering his stack size. Just set him in on the turn. Hopefully your not drawing to a chop.
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:34 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

<font color="green"> fyi w/ KQo 6-max utg, i'm mucking or raising depending on the table... </font>
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:42 PM
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

Thanks for the replies. I think it was my pre-flop play here caused me all kinds of trouble. The pre-flop raise was a lack of patience I think. However, given my early position raise, should I re-raise MP2's all-in raise to get rid of MP1? I think I'm likely ahead of MP2 - his all-in after a raise and call looks lack a last ditch attempt to win a 'decent' pot. If I raise again MP1 will fold without something special and I'll easy get away from the hand if I'm raised by MP1 slow playing a monster, or if I'm called and don't make at least 2-pair on the flop. Thoughts?
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

You're behind to any pocket pair, aren't you? KQo just can't take this kind of heat; I never raise it full ring from UTG+1. Versus MP2's all-in I would curse myself for having raised to start with, and fold it. If MP1 has a hand he'll skin you alive.

I would only even *consider* calling the preflop all-in if I were sure it would just be me vs. shortstack; never with someone else still in the hand.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

I see where you're coming from. I thought it was bad as soon as I saw MP2 call behind me. However, my poor play was rewarded when both villians showed me their KJ and MHIG [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. However, I realise how lucky I was here, I'm not going to let lack of patience put me in this kind of trouble post flop again (I hope) [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: How did this pot get so big?

The open raise is ok...

The calling of the reraise sucks balls.

Check/fold that flop-- you beat nothing.
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