Little and large.

1800GAMBLER · #1 03-23-2004, 02:29 PM

Prima's crackhouse. $1/$2 blinds. 6 max. All players unknown, i have them all covered.

UTG min raises his small stack. I make it $14 to go with KK. SB, BB call and UTG calls.

Flop:

Q 9 2 raindow, very pretty.

Pot: ~ $60

BB ($200, coldcalled preflop) bets out for $6. UTG (Has about $30 left, the preflop min raiser) min raises it to $12. I call.

Turn:

Q

BB (big stack) checks, UTG (small stack) pushes in for ~$20 and i fold.

Nero · #2 03-23-2004, 03:00 PM

I would like the flop call alot more if the big stack and small stacks positions were reversed, trapping the big stack and not myself. Acting after the better and before the big stack make me more inclined to atleast pop the flop to find out where im at in relation to the big stack, getting the small stack in and then slowing down on the turn if called. As played, nice turn fold.

1800GAMBLER · #3 03-23-2004, 03:15 PM

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I would like the flop call alot more if the big stack and small stacks positions were reversed, trapping the big stack and not myself.

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The position of stacks so the sole reason i called. If i pop it now the big stack is folding a hell of a lot of hands that i could easily keep in and stack on the turn.

If positions were reserved i'm more likely to raise as i'm likely to keep the BB in now.

I think we are crossing wires on you are giving a lot of credit to me being behind here. BB's likely holdings are QK AQ here. Then 99 but a lot less likely because he bet out, it's not the done thing online.

josie_wales · #4 03-23-2004, 03:31 PM

Jay

Good laydown. One thing that I have learned in my short NL career is that I dont like to put it all (or a lot) on the line with One pair.

JW

Nero · #5 03-23-2004, 03:33 PM

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The position of stacks so the sole reason i called. If i pop it now the big stack is folding a hell of a lot of hands that i could easily keep in and stack on the turn.

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I didn't think the flat call was bad. I just would rather have the turn(on a brick) go something like short-stack pushes and then the big-stack acts, I then get to react after seeing this. I just dont like giving up position with this hand in this situation.

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If positions were reserved i'm more likely to raise as i'm likely to keep the BB in now.

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Why would your raise now be more likely to keep him in? Either he likes his AQ/KQ enough to stay in against a PFR's flop bet or he doesn't. He either bet out here planning to dump/stay to aggression, or would have called dumping/staying to aggression if the spots were switched. Am I missing something here?

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I think we are crossing wires on you are giving a lot of credit to me being behind here. BB's likely holdings are QK AQ here. Then 99 but a lot less likely because he bet out, it's not the done thing online.

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I dont think your behind here at all on the flop. 99 either comes out stronger or not at all. I would just like to keep position on the big stack. I think you played this OK, they are likely drawing to 5-6 outs combined and by building a pot this way you can more easily get the big -stack in the middle w/TPTK.

1800GAMBLER · #6 03-23-2004, 07:56 PM

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Why would your raise now be more likely to keep him in? Either he likes his AQ/KQ enough to stay in against a PFR's flop bet or he doesn't. He either bet out here planning to dump/stay to aggression, or would have called dumping/staying to aggression if the spots were switched. Am I missing something here?

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If he was acting 2nd he would have been the 2nd person betting, and just have one 'stage' to call. If he acts first, he bets, gets raised, then the raiser gets raised, a lot easier for him to dump.

Al_Capone_Junior · #7 03-23-2004, 09:13 PM

and you played wimpily on the flop because why? you were after all faced with two wimp bets....

al

1800GAMBLER · #8 03-23-2004, 09:31 PM

Playing it with balls: I'd be $30 dollars richer which would at the most buy some porn or a STD from a hooker.

Playing with with no balls 83%: i'm $230 richer which means i'll be more drunk tomorrow, less likely to wake up in my own bed and less likely to have an STD.

Playing with no balls 17%: I win nothing; i stay here talking poker.

So, not that i don't love STDs and sat here, but that's why i played it like that.

scrub · #9 03-23-2004, 09:36 PM

Yeah, I think you've got to make it $60 here on the flop.

Mostly because players who make that EP wuss bet need to be punished. Many of them do it to try to get a cheap card. There's a decent pot right now, it will be more decent when you stack the small stack the times he doesn't have you beat, and you're unlikely to get any more money out of wuss EP bet guy unless he hits whatever weird out he's looking to hit cheap. So make him pay to call down with his crappy Q, or find out that you might need to be worried now, rather than on the turn in an artificially large pot thanks to the obligatory small stack push.

scrub

1800GAMBLER · #10 03-23-2004, 09:41 PM

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Many of them do it to try to get a cheap card.

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I have 1/4 of his outs [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't agree about your opinion on the min bets always looking for a cheap card either, sometimes, they are looking for information from the preflop raiser too because of there crap QK holding.