Callin getting 3:1 with any pair?

GrunchCan · #1 07-22-2005, 09:56 PM

The opponent in this hand seems to be an all-around solid player. Good PF selection of hands, knows how to steal, and good postflop play. All in all a worthy opponent for my very modest skillz.

This is a Stars 10+1, early goings.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t2959)
MP2 (t1415)
Hero (t1015)
CO (t1361)
Button (t1477)
SB (t2825)
BB (t1245)
UTG (t1458)
UTG+1 (t3755)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t150, 2 folds, SB raises to t600, 1 fold, MP1 folds, Hero ... ?

I am positive that the opponent is deliberately putting me in a push-or-fold situation. Even still, getting 3:1 this is a good gamble for me with any pocket pair let alone jacks, even if I think the opponent will do this only with AA, KK or AKs.

Right? So I push here?

betgo · #2 07-22-2005, 10:09 PM

How are you getting 3-1? If you go allin, you are betting 865 to win 1240. That is less than 3-2.

This may be could enough odds with JJ though. I don't like the raise to 600. A lot of people just push with AK or AQ.

Tuben · #3 07-22-2005, 10:24 PM

Damn have to say somthing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

No i dont think so beacuse if your odds is 3:1 and that is the only hand he would do it whit.

Lets se AA,KK is 12 diffrent hands and Aks is 4 diffrent suits. So 16 hands, And you will win 2 times when he have Aks, And like 2,5 time when he has AA,KK. So you win like 4,5 times and loose 11,5 times.
Haha

So like 2,5:1 you need atleast to call so guess you are right.

betgo · #4 07-22-2005, 10:43 PM

Where does this 3-1 come from? I don't see how it is 3-1.

DyessMan89 · #5 07-22-2005, 10:56 PM

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Where does this 3-1 come from? I don't see how it is 3-1.

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I dont see it either.

Anyways, Id probobly push this hand ... I think its your best option here. If your positions were reversed I might think of using the Stop n Go.

GrunchCan · #6 07-22-2005, 11:13 PM

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Where does this 3-1 come from? I don't see how it is 3-1.

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That's what I figured (at the table) I was getting on a call of the opponent's 600. Blinds = 45, limper = 30, I raise to 150, opponent rasies to 600. Bet is 450 to me, there's 815 in the pot. I rounded 450:815 to -- oops! -- 3:1. Should have been 2:1. Wow, I suck at NL.

Ok so if the opponent has AA-QQ, AKo or AKs then I'd be right to call the 2:1? And since calling the 2:1 will leave me with 400, I'd be better off pushing?

Aside from my egregious math error (I must work on this), how is my reasoning?

betgo · #7 07-22-2005, 11:28 PM

2-1 to call the raise, but you really have to look at it as 1.45-1 with all your money in.

GrunchCan · #8 07-23-2005, 12:19 AM

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2-1 to call the raise, but you really have to look at it as 1.45-1 with all your money in.

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So if 1.45:1 are not good odds for me (let's assume they aren't for the sake of argument), then I should fold?

As I type this it seems obvious, but I'd still like confirmation. I'd like to hear anything else anyone has to say, too.