Can Continuation Betting be correct where players have no memory?

[Godfather80]

Okay, another semi-theory post from me based on the bizarre battlefields of NL25.

Basically, 90% of the players I play against do not follow players action from hand to hand. In other words, every hand is like the first hand for them. In this specific case, does it make any sense to continuation bet with hands? My conjecture is that, from a theory perspective, continuation betting only costs you money as it will rarely (if ever) force out a better hand, even if that hand is only bottom pair weak kicker. What are other low stakes 2p2ers thoughts on this?

[kongo_totte]

In my belief, CB:s force out better hands a majority, or atleast 1/2 the time. That, combined with meta-game reasons is why you CB. For example: orinare weak players will fold 7 7 on a J 8 2 board, especially OOP. That is why you bet your missed A K or 7 3.

[Godfather80]

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In my belief, CB:s force out better hands a majority, or atleast 1/2 the time. That, combined with meta-game reasons is why you CB. For example: orinare weak players will fold 7 7 on a J 8 2 board, especially OOP. That is why you bet your missed A K or 7 3.

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Kongo, did you read the specific circumstances in OP? I agree with you in general gameplay, but "metagame" has no place in NL25 because it requires "memory".

[kongo_totte]

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In my belief, CB:s force out better hands a majority, or atleast 1/2 the time. That, combined with meta-game reasons is why you CB. For example: orinare weak players will fold 7 7 on a J 8 2 board, especially OOP. That is why you bet your missed A K or 7 3.

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Kongo, did you read the specific circumstances in OP? I agree with you in general gameplay, but "metagame" has no place in NL25 because it requires "memory".

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I did read OP, and even though meta-game issues are of lesser importance at lower stakes, I do believe CB:ing is most often correct. Of course, always use your judgement. As the other poster said, don't CB calling stations. Always CB weak tights like myself etc.

[Godfather80]

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In my belief, CB:s force out better hands a majority, or atleast 1/2 the time. That, combined with meta-game reasons is why you CB. For example: orinare weak players will fold 7 7 on a J 8 2 board, especially OOP. That is why you bet your missed A K or 7 3.

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Kongo, did you read the specific circumstances in OP? I agree with you in general gameplay, but "metagame" has no place in NL25 because it requires "memory".

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I did read OP, and even though meta-game issues are of lesser importance at lower stakes, I do believe CB:ing is most often correct. Of course, always use your judgement. As the other poster said, don't CB calling stations. Always CB weak tights like myself etc.

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I think I'm misunderstanding the main purpose of continuation betting. It is my belief that you continuation bet primarily to ensure that you get action when you do have/hit a hand. Secondarily, on occasion, continuation betting may fold out a worse hand.

It is my thought that at the NL25 level, the primary purpose of continuation betting is lost because players will only fold when they miss completely; they will not fold because they remember your previous postflop aggression with good hands.

If all your continuation bets are doing are folding out worse hands, then should you keep continuation betting? Help me see this in a different way. Caution: I'm both slow and stubborn.

[orange]

The primary reason I c-bet is to gain value from made hands (pairs, etc) and to make my opponents fold (not necessarily better hands), but their hands at the moment.

In many cases, the flop will help neither you or your opponents. In this case, I find that I can take the pot first and foremost by betting, whether I hit or not. With missed overs (AK, etc), I want to win the pot at the flop, not allow my opponents to hit something.

Obviously c-betting is situation-dependent, and usually only used when HU. These are some reasons I c-bet.

[Macquarie]

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I think I'm misunderstanding the main purpose of continuation betting. It is my belief that you continuation bet primarily to ensure that you get action when you do have/hit a hand. Secondarily, on occasion, continuation betting may fold out a worse hand.

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CBs do not require any memory to be +EV IMO.

People will often fold better hands. People set-mining with low to mid pocket pairs will often fold to a CB when overcards flop. People playing Ax for flush draws or suited-connectors will sometimes fold when they pair a low card but there are overcards (and they hit no draw).


Remember that oftentimes you and your opponent will both miss. You have the best hand (i.e. A high). You want to pick up the pot these times, and the way to do that is with a continuation bet; no point in checking and risking losing the pot to bluffs or people hitting outs (even though sometimes _you_ will hit an out).

I almost always CB heads up, and almost always in a three-way hand with position. OOP in a multiway pot I'm more likely just to check. Depends on opponents.

Check out the "folds to flop bet" stat for your opponents. You can certainly view this using PokerACE HUD, not sure for playerview. This stat varies hugely from player to player, and ranges from 30 or 40% for calling stations to over 90% for weak-tight nits. Very handy stat...

[Morrek]

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continuation betting only costs you money as it will rarely (if ever) force out a better hand, even if that hand is only bottom pair weak kicker.

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Don't CB into calling stations, only bet for value vs those

[fuzzbox]

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continuation betting only costs you money as it will rarely (if ever) force out a better hand, even if that hand is only bottom pair weak kicker.

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Don't CB into calling stations, only bet for value vs those

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Certainly CB into calling stations, they only call if they have a hand, which is about 1/3 of the time. Dont double-barrel CB them on a bluff though.

[Malachii]

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Dont double-barrel CB them on a bluff though.

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