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This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
Party 5/10 6 max.
I'm in the SB with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] loose passive limps UTG. unnoteworthy but not good guy limps on the button. I complete. Solid seeming but mostly unknown BB checks. Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I bet, BB calls, Button calls Turn 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I bet, BB calls, button folds. River 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] What's my action? |
#2
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
I'd b/f. I think he calls down a J. If you check and call, I think you end up calling down a lot of losers.
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#3
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
I think I'd have to check-call.
If we bet, our only hope is that he has a Jack. And I can't fold this so we'd lose 2 bets if he's got hearts or an 8. And we chop with any K (except the unlikely KA-KJ)... So I guess there's more combinations of us being behind than ahead. But we're not folding. So yeah. |
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
What do you see a passive player raising our river bet with? Or do you see him better a worse hand after we check the river?
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#5
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
A bet/fold for me. If he raises the river, we can safely fold this hand.
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#6
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
I am check-calling this river. Its possible he flopped a straight draw and called down, but he would fold that to a bet. You are splitting if he has a king. If he called down with bottom pair on the flop, you're screwed of course. So the only time you collect is when he is holding a jack. Now that I said all that, I bet-fold. I think check-folding is weak..And he is not going to bet that jack often on that board.
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#7
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
I think it is a check/call, but I expect to win this more than I lose it. I just dont see much value in betting the river.
However, against most 5/10 players this is a standard bet/fold, but you said BB seemed solid... |
#8
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
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What do you see a passive player raising our river bet with? Or do you see him better a worse hand after we check the river? [/ QUOTE ] We don't know that he's passive. Dids said BB is solid but mostly unknown. If he's passive then I definitely like your line and reasoning. And maybe I'm too rash with my observations but I think there's enough bluffing in this game that by default we can assume it's a possibility against an unknown. And this scary river card would be a fairly likely time for that. So I can't fold. |
#9
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
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We don't know that he's passive. Dids said BB is solid but mostly unknown. [/ QUOTE ] I should learn to match the reads & players up correctly. [ QUOTE ] And maybe I'm too rash with my observations but I think there's enough bluffing in this game that by default we can assume it's a possibility against an unknown. And this scary river card would be a fairly likely time for that. So I can't fold. [/ QUOTE ] If that's the case, then may swing to a check/call. However, I'm not sure what hands he was calling down with to make a bluff. |
#10
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Re: This hand touches people in bad places and is wrong
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If that's the case, then may swing to a check/call. However, I'm not sure what hands he was calling down with to make a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] Could be QT or 9T, or A-high. But I've almost been swayed to bet-fold, too [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I dunno. |
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