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I think the flop is an obvious raise because of all the draw possibilities out, but the turn is where I had a question. Obviously I hit the gin card, but do I raise here and risk losing SB and UTG who are probably still drawing? I thought they might still chase with a Q in their hand, so I decided to raise. But in hindsight it may have been better to go for overcalls. Thoughts?
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, CO calls. Flop: (9 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, CO calls. Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, UTG folds, CO calls. River: (12.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls. Final Pot: 20.50 BB |
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I am raising the turn with a straight and flush draw on the board.
Also you never know when someone is slow playing a made straight on the flop and will 3-bet you. |
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You have no guarantee that they're overcalling that turn, but you'll likely get one more out of the bettor. This hand is fine. I would admonish you about worrying about maximizing your value for quads (they're rare, so it's largely unimportant), but the mere fact that you played them fast brings a warm fuzzy feeling to my heart.
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He has virtually the nuts on the turn, only 3 cards can possibly beat him on the river. Why not go for overcalls on the turn? If they are calling that flop, another jack isn't folding everyone else for 1 bet IMO.
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You got way more value out of this then the guy who check/called his top set/quads vs. me on the flop and turn yesterday.
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I would like the idea of calling the turn if the pot were smaller, doing so gives anyone holding an ace or a queen a reason to call, but here a flush draw will call even if you raise, the pot is big enough to value bet you made the right move.
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raise turn. yes.
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but here a flush draw will call even if you raise [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that assuming these players have a concept of pot odds? I think a lot of drawing fish here are just thinking, "man I'd call it for just 1, 2 is too much though" and fold to the raise. |
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[ QUOTE ] but here a flush draw will call even if you raise [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that assuming these players have a concept of pot odds? I think a lot of drawing fish here are just thinking, "man I'd call it for just 1, 2 is too much though" and fold to the raise. [/ QUOTE ] Most people tend to go the otherway. "I have a flush draw on a paired board. Call 1/2/3/4 bets, it doesn't matter." |
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Good point, hard to imagine what they could have in this hand though if they all fold the turn! (other than complete crap like most players at party .50/1.00 6max)
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