Foxwoods 20/40: ATs

[hobbsmann]

This hand took place about 3 hours into my night and up until this point I had won a total of 1 pot and was stuck a fair amount.

The second limper in this hand was kind of drunk at the time, but I get the impression that he knows what he is doing (so lets call him slightly too loose TAG). The preflop 3 bettor seemed to have a fairly narrow range of preflop raising hands and is best described as one of the decent older regulars.

UTG calls, UTG1 calls, I raise AT [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], MP2 3-bets, all fold to UTG1 who calls, I call.

Flop (10 sb) A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
check, check, bet, call, call (?)

Turn (8 bb) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
check, I bet (?)....

If this was HU I would have taken the line of c/c the flop, b/c the turn and c/f the river if the turn was raised or bet the river if the turn was called. Since this was 3 handed I wasn't too sure how my line should be adjusted. I think c/r'ing the flop is probably best, but I'm not sure....

[W. Deranged]

I like this Hobbs.

Originally I was thinking you should check the turn here, but I think the 7 is a nice card to bet on as it'll slow down a nittish old-regular type who has a big A. I don't like the bet as much if you think he'll fold QQ or KK but continue to bet, from what I know of these types of players they're more likely to call a turn bet here with those hands than they are to bet with them. Since there's a flush draw on board (not a huge concern, but worth noting) and a third player in the pot (a huge concern, definitely worth noting), I really don't want this turn to check through.

So I like the bet. Very nice hand. I hope you intended to fold to a raise, and to bet-fold the river, particularly if it's three-handed.

[Nick C]

Heads-up, I would check-call both the flop and turn. It's really unlikely that Villain has a flush draw, and if he doesn't, you're in a WA/WB situation.

If UTG+1 is decent, then I'm not liking it too much when he calls the flop, after calling two more back to him preflop. But he is also drunk, and maybe he's making a loose peel or is hoping his 88 is somehow good.

Anyway, on the turn, I think I'd check again. Then again, if by some chance you're ahead and the pre-flop 3-bettor now checks behind with his QQ and UTG+1 gets a free card with his flush draw, then that's not ideal. But I think there's a really good chance that you're not ahead, and UTG+1 isn't folding a flush draw anyway, so if you do end up giving a free card, it's not like it's a tragedy.

[private joker]

I like this line. You don't let KK check through the turn, and you won't get raised very often. If you do get raised by a hand like AQ, you have outs to chop or win, plus the loose TAG will be charged with 2.

[W. Deranged]

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Heads-up, I would check-call both the flop and turn. It's really unlikely that Villain has a flush draw, and if he doesn't, you're in a WA/WB situation.

If UTG+1 is decent, then I'm not liking it too much when he calls the flop, after calling two more back to him preflop. But he is also drunk, and maybe he's making a loose peel or is hoping his 88 is somehow good.

Anyway, on the turn, I think I'd check again. Then again, if by some chance you're ahead and the pre-flop 3-bettor now checks behind with his QQ and UTG+1 gets a free card with his flush draw, then that's not ideal. But I think there's a really good chance that you're not ahead, and UTG+1 isn't folding a flush draw anyway, so if you do end up giving a free card, it's not like it's a tragedy.

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I generally agree with this analysis, but I think this hand betrays an important feature of live mid-limit games.

These old guys are passive and nitty. They don't like to put in bets when there are obvious hands that might beat them. A guy with QQ or KK here might bet the flop but he's usually going to slow up on the turn. BUT, they also don't like getting pushed around by long-haired, rock-music-listenin', hot-shot, internet-playin', world-poker-tour-watchin', baseball-hat-wearin', red-bull-drinkin' young whippersnappers like Hobbs.

So, this guy'll probably call down with QQ or KK here and not bet it. So the wa/wb here concept varies a little. The third guy being in makes me want to bet more also.

[Nick C]

I kind of want to know how drunk UTG+1 is.

I'm really worried he has us beat.

[W. Deranged]

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I kind of want to know how drunk UTG+1 is.

I'm really worried he has us beat.

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Let's make the assumption he's had 4 Heinekens, 2 Jack and Cokes, and is currently sucking down Red Bull + Vodka #3.

[hobbsmann]

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I kind of want to know how drunk UTG+1 is.

I'm really worried he has us beat.

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He said something like 11 drinks after the hand.

[W. Deranged]

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I kind of want to know how drunk UTG+1 is.

I'm really worried he has us beat.

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Let's make the assumption he's had 4 Heinekens, 2 Jack and Cokes, and is currently sucking down Red Bull + Vodka #3.

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In DrunkTracker terms that makes him a 4/2/3.

[hobbsmann]

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I kind of want to know how drunk UTG+1 is.

I'm really worried he has us beat.

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I'm almost positive that he raises ATs+ and AJo+ preflop after a limper so I was not really worried about him having a better A.