stealing with small pairs

[Adam22]

would you raise here? villian is 15.6/4.94/1.30.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

[shant]

I play the same. I also steal with it in position.

[Adam22]

allright here's another one. is this as obvious a fold as i think it is? i'm working on my blind defense and offense as you probably remember from that other thread

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (5.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.20 BB

[shant]

That looks fine too. I don't think you can count your pair outs very strongly there so all you have is backdoor draws.

[Adam22]

ok and while i'm at it, can you believe this happened?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

edit: he showed 56o

[shant]

Yeah I can believe it because it happens to me frequently. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[newhizzle]

were the first two on the same table?

i dont like to bet/fold very often on the flop because your opponents will see it and use it against you, whenever i see someone bet/fold or fold to a c/r on the flop i note it

[flopmonster]

hahah funny hand, he played your ass

Don't steal w/ small pairs if the blinds are loose. You have to have good fold equity against the blinds for this to work because your hand will always suck post flop. I usually fold small pairs in late position if the blinds are loose, if the blinds are tight, well, then i'll steal with virtually any two. If you do steal and get called (especially by the loose blinds), there not going to lay down bottom pair no matter how many times you bet.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Don't steal w/ small pairs if the blinds are loose. You have to have good fold equity against the blinds for this to work because your hand will always suck post flop. I usually fold small pairs in late position if the blinds are loose, if the blinds are tight, well, then i'll steal with virtually any two. If you do steal and get called (especially by the loose blinds), there not going to lay down bottom pair no matter how many times you bet.

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good general advice and I went with this until I started playing 6max. Now at full ring, I'm almost always stealing. However, I'm taking good notes on what/how the player defends. Most loose players play the same way over and over. These opportunities are too profitable to give them up.